Barryd999 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 4:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:00 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 1:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:23 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 9:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 8:21 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 6:20 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 5:44 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 5:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 4:53 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 4:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 1:12 PM The internet is full of arseholes that will post stuff like that just to wind people up. I am sure they are a tiny minority but of course stuff like this gets shared and goes viral, thats what they want. I do not trust or like Boris Johnson but I wish him a speedy recovery. Yes I agree Barry "The internet is full of ar$eholes" (shouldn't the squad be on to that swearing by the way as it might just go against forum rules) ... I remember only last week "one of those ar$eholes" proudly boasting sumat like Boris is a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... Funny old world ... Another of those "ar$eholes" ... https://twitter.com/bulldog_spirit1/status/1246920191428169728 Stupid Boy. "Stupid Boy" ??? ... Why stupid boy ??? ... One can only assume that anyone who fills the internet with those words from last week would revel in our PMs current situation ??? ... Maybe you can explain why last weeks vile comment is different to those Twitter comments ??? Wishing someone dead and calling someone a poor excuse for a human being are not the same are they? I dont trust Johnson and his merry bunch of rotten side kicks, I dont like any of them. I think they have torn this country apart for a generation not to mention the damage they have done and were about to inflict. Ive known people like Johnson. All they and he were ever concerned with is themselves and their route to power. They put on a good act, people fall for it, they even call him by his first name (Which isnt actually Boris). Good old Boris they will say, he's just a fun eccentric good old English bloke. No he isnt. Hes a self centred con man. He doesnt care about you or me. He only cares about himself and his backers. Thats why I called him what I did as I can see through him. Met too many people like him over the years, worked with plenty of his types. However, as said. I do not wish him dead as I am sure most people do not. The irony is if you think back to Maggie Thatcher I think there were a fair few that rejoiced when she finally passed away and most of them are now backing Johnson. Regarding your Margaret Thatcher comment I presume you mean Liebour voters what turned Tory for Brexit ??? You have answered that yourself many times princess havent you , you call them "f2cktards" I think , stupid , thick and the rest ... As for your comment from last week I dont know how many steps off your vile comment was about our PM from those being thrown about wishing him dead on Twitter ... A "$hit excuse for a human" isnt quite same as calling someone stupid or Pansy Boy or sumat like that is it ??? ... You'll explain though and clear it all up I think I have explained it pretty clearly. My feelings on Johnson and his government have not changed but I wish him well no more or no less than anyone who is unfortunate enough to fall victim to this virus. I think you will find this is what I said before his symptoms became serious. Thanks for the explanation and sorry for misunderstanding you ... Side issue I know but remembering its only last week that you told the internet he is a "$hit excuse for a human being" is he still that ??? ... Yet more ... ... Anti-Tory/Boris , Lordy have the left become so vile or were they always so vile but havent always had the internet to hate on ??? If your trying to put me on some kind of guilt trip for what I have said about Boris Johnson now that he is fighting for his life it wont work. I think my feelings towards him and the rest of his cabinet, backers and advisers have been made pretty clear over the past few years. So yes none of those opinions have changed but as I said, I do not wish him or any of them harm and as said I hope he recovers. It does appear though that he and many of his cabinet have not really followed their own advice. Only a few weeks ago he was still advocating shaking hands in hospitals while the rest of the world was starting to lock down big style. I dont find that brave or admirable, just flaming stupid. They have not exactly set a great example to the nation who it seems many are still not taking this situation seriously and putting others at risk. Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price. As I keep saying though, I wish him well. Well far be it for me to say but I thought your comment vile at the time , still vile now and you wishing him well flies totally against you only last week proudly boasting hes a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... "They have not exactly set a great example to the nation" followed by "Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price" any chance of an explanation on that ??? ... One of your nice fellow Labour types apologising for what she really means ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52198488 ... Vile An explanation? I thought I had explained. Their delayed response, not securing the resources when they had the chance and Johnson playing the whole thing down and wandering around hospitals shaking hands with people when the rest of the world was already locking down lost us valuable time and set a bad example to the nation so yes, its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that. Fellow Labour types? Told you before, Im politically homeless. Labour is not my natural political home, Im not a socialist. The only thing that borders on truth in that lot is you repeating my "fellow Labour types" ... Just those 3 words ... You've just campaigned for and voted for and defended time and again The Labour Party headed up by Jeremy ... If they aint your party then you are more confused than normal ... You have changed "NHS staff that'll pay the price" to "its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that" ??? ...Regards Oh FFS! Are you bored or summat? How many times do I have to tell you? I campaigned for pretty much any party other than the Tories and Brexit party. We must have been through this a thousand times. My feelings towards Johnson and the "New Tory Party" go way beyond this current crisis, I havent changed anything, just phrased the same sentence differently and not with any great thought. What I think about Johnson and co runs much deeper than their actions during the Coronavirus. 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Brian Kirby Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Tracker - 2020-04-07 4:12 PM...………………….As I said, hindsight is a wonderful thing, especially when it is selective. Sure the Government has made mistakes, a lot more mistakes than South Korea and China for example, but far less than the USA and Spain/Italy perhaps? It is a lot easier to control a population, and via that infection rates, when you have heavy handed State control than it is where you have the freedoms that Europe and the USA have. It is pure speculation whether any other UK party would have been that different and we will never know. Ever since the 1940s the railway system in the UK has been dysfunctional as successive governments have failed to invest and develop it and the current obsession with making a profit on what should be, like the roads, a national asset beggars belief so it should come as no surprise to anyone that the system has collapsed at the first sign of hardship. Sorry to break in chaps, and hello Rich, but this reads to me like an argument in favour of mediocrity. Is that really the best we should hope for? Just to be about average? Is that going to be all we need in our brave new world? I had hoped we'd be at the top of the scale, demonstrating why the rest of the world should rely on us for sound government and a superior economy with which they will be anxious to trade. Hind sight, after all, isn't a sin, it is what we should use to learn from our mistakes and continually improve. Just saying well, we came fifth in a ten horse race, which is pretty good, really, just won't cut the mustard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 5:43 PM Sorry to break in chaps, and hello Rich, but this reads to me like an argument in favour of mediocrity. Is that really the best we should hope for? Just to be about average? Is that going to be all we need in our brave new world? I had hoped we'd be at the top of the scale, demonstrating why the rest of the world should rely on us for sound government and a superior economy with which they will be anxious to trade. Hind sight, after all, isn't a sin, it is what we should use to learn from our mistakes and continually improve. Just saying well, we came fifth in a ten horse race, which is pretty good, really, just won't cut the mustard. Quite so Brian, but mediocrity is something we have become increasingly used to over the years as successive governments have encouraged people to demand their rights without accepting their responsibilities. Fine when most people get their own way but not so fine when discipline - remember that - is called for. Would you sooner we had the other extreme like China where the nation is ruled by a domineering big brother state and almost everyone is afraid to move out of sync with the demands made on them, although it seems to work for the all powerful all conquering Chinese state who look like coming out of this stronger, wealthier and more powerful - must be a dream come true for the Party?. Maybe there is a half way stage like maybe Germany but one thing is for sure, the human race is incapable of learning from past events - why is there still war for example - have we not had enough over the past 1000 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:41 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 4:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:00 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 1:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:23 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 9:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 8:21 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 6:20 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 5:44 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 5:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 4:53 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 4:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 1:12 PM The internet is full of arseholes that will post stuff like that just to wind people up. I am sure they are a tiny minority but of course stuff like this gets shared and goes viral, thats what they want. I do not trust or like Boris Johnson but I wish him a speedy recovery. Yes I agree Barry "The internet is full of ar$eholes" (shouldn't the squad be on to that swearing by the way as it might just go against forum rules) ... I remember only last week "one of those ar$eholes" proudly boasting sumat like Boris is a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... Funny old world ... Another of those "ar$eholes" ... https://twitter.com/bulldog_spirit1/status/1246920191428169728 Stupid Boy. "Stupid Boy" ??? ... Why stupid boy ??? ... One can only assume that anyone who fills the internet with those words from last week would revel in our PMs current situation ??? ... Maybe you can explain why last weeks vile comment is different to those Twitter comments ??? Wishing someone dead and calling someone a poor excuse for a human being are not the same are they? I dont trust Johnson and his merry bunch of rotten side kicks, I dont like any of them. I think they have torn this country apart for a generation not to mention the damage they have done and were about to inflict. Ive known people like Johnson. All they and he were ever concerned with is themselves and their route to power. They put on a good act, people fall for it, they even call him by his first name (Which isnt actually Boris). Good old Boris they will say, he's just a fun eccentric good old English bloke. No he isnt. Hes a self centred con man. He doesnt care about you or me. He only cares about himself and his backers. Thats why I called him what I did as I can see through him. Met too many people like him over the years, worked with plenty of his types. However, as said. I do not wish him dead as I am sure most people do not. The irony is if you think back to Maggie Thatcher I think there were a fair few that rejoiced when she finally passed away and most of them are now backing Johnson. Regarding your Margaret Thatcher comment I presume you mean Liebour voters what turned Tory for Brexit ??? You have answered that yourself many times princess havent you , you call them "f2cktards" I think , stupid , thick and the rest ... As for your comment from last week I dont know how many steps off your vile comment was about our PM from those being thrown about wishing him dead on Twitter ... A "$hit excuse for a human" isnt quite same as calling someone stupid or Pansy Boy or sumat like that is it ??? ... You'll explain though and clear it all up I think I have explained it pretty clearly. My feelings on Johnson and his government have not changed but I wish him well no more or no less than anyone who is unfortunate enough to fall victim to this virus. I think you will find this is what I said before his symptoms became serious. Thanks for the explanation and sorry for misunderstanding you ... Side issue I know but remembering its only last week that you told the internet he is a "$hit excuse for a human being" is he still that ??? ... Yet more ... ... Anti-Tory/Boris , Lordy have the left become so vile or were they always so vile but havent always had the internet to hate on ??? If your trying to put me on some kind of guilt trip for what I have said about Boris Johnson now that he is fighting for his life it wont work. I think my feelings towards him and the rest of his cabinet, backers and advisers have been made pretty clear over the past few years. So yes none of those opinions have changed but as I said, I do not wish him or any of them harm and as said I hope he recovers. It does appear though that he and many of his cabinet have not really followed their own advice. Only a few weeks ago he was still advocating shaking hands in hospitals while the rest of the world was starting to lock down big style. I dont find that brave or admirable, just flaming stupid. They have not exactly set a great example to the nation who it seems many are still not taking this situation seriously and putting others at risk. Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price. As I keep saying though, I wish him well. Well far be it for me to say but I thought your comment vile at the time , still vile now and you wishing him well flies totally against you only last week proudly boasting hes a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... "They have not exactly set a great example to the nation" followed by "Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price" any chance of an explanation on that ??? ... One of your nice fellow Labour types apologising for what she really means ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52198488 ... Vile An explanation? I thought I had explained. Their delayed response, not securing the resources when they had the chance and Johnson playing the whole thing down and wandering around hospitals shaking hands with people when the rest of the world was already locking down lost us valuable time and set a bad example to the nation so yes, its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that. Fellow Labour types? Told you before, Im politically homeless. Labour is not my natural political home, Im not a socialist. The only thing that borders on truth in that lot is you repeating my "fellow Labour types" ... Just those 3 words ... You've just campaigned for and voted for and defended time and again The Labour Party headed up by Jeremy ... If they aint your party then you are more confused than normal ... You have changed "NHS staff that'll pay the price" to "its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that" ??? ...Regards Oh FFS! Are you bored or summat? How many times do I have to tell you? I campaigned for pretty much any party other than the Tories and Brexit party. We must have been through this a thousand times. My feelings towards Johnson and the "New Tory Party" go way beyond this current crisis, I havent changed anything, just phrased the same sentence differently and not with any great thought. What I think about Johnson and co runs much deeper than their actions during the Coronavirus. Calm down princess ... Since when does having a discussion or picking you up on points you have previously mentioned deserve "FFS!" or "Are you bored or summat" ??? ... You happily have and still do mention Brexit stuff you have been preaching to the rest of the world for nearly 4 years so why the difference with your Labour love ??? ... You are making me feel like a "$hit excuse for a human being" just for pointing out facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 6:02 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:41 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 4:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:00 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 1:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:23 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 9:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 8:21 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 6:20 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 5:44 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 5:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 4:53 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 4:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 1:12 PM The internet is full of arseholes that will post stuff like that just to wind people up. I am sure they are a tiny minority but of course stuff like this gets shared and goes viral, thats what they want. I do not trust or like Boris Johnson but I wish him a speedy recovery. Yes I agree Barry "The internet is full of ar$eholes" (shouldn't the squad be on to that swearing by the way as it might just go against forum rules) ... I remember only last week "one of those ar$eholes" proudly boasting sumat like Boris is a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... Funny old world ... Another of those "ar$eholes" ... https://twitter.com/bulldog_spirit1/status/1246920191428169728 Stupid Boy. "Stupid Boy" ??? ... Why stupid boy ??? ... One can only assume that anyone who fills the internet with those words from last week would revel in our PMs current situation ??? ... Maybe you can explain why last weeks vile comment is different to those Twitter comments ??? Wishing someone dead and calling someone a poor excuse for a human being are not the same are they? I dont trust Johnson and his merry bunch of rotten side kicks, I dont like any of them. I think they have torn this country apart for a generation not to mention the damage they have done and were about to inflict. Ive known people like Johnson. All they and he were ever concerned with is themselves and their route to power. They put on a good act, people fall for it, they even call him by his first name (Which isnt actually Boris). Good old Boris they will say, he's just a fun eccentric good old English bloke. No he isnt. Hes a self centred con man. He doesnt care about you or me. He only cares about himself and his backers. Thats why I called him what I did as I can see through him. Met too many people like him over the years, worked with plenty of his types. However, as said. I do not wish him dead as I am sure most people do not. The irony is if you think back to Maggie Thatcher I think there were a fair few that rejoiced when she finally passed away and most of them are now backing Johnson. Regarding your Margaret Thatcher comment I presume you mean Liebour voters what turned Tory for Brexit ??? You have answered that yourself many times princess havent you , you call them "f2cktards" I think , stupid , thick and the rest ... As for your comment from last week I dont know how many steps off your vile comment was about our PM from those being thrown about wishing him dead on Twitter ... A "$hit excuse for a human" isnt quite same as calling someone stupid or Pansy Boy or sumat like that is it ??? ... You'll explain though and clear it all up I think I have explained it pretty clearly. My feelings on Johnson and his government have not changed but I wish him well no more or no less than anyone who is unfortunate enough to fall victim to this virus. I think you will find this is what I said before his symptoms became serious. Thanks for the explanation and sorry for misunderstanding you ... Side issue I know but remembering its only last week that you told the internet he is a "$hit excuse for a human being" is he still that ??? ... Yet more ... ... Anti-Tory/Boris , Lordy have the left become so vile or were they always so vile but havent always had the internet to hate on ??? If your trying to put me on some kind of guilt trip for what I have said about Boris Johnson now that he is fighting for his life it wont work. I think my feelings towards him and the rest of his cabinet, backers and advisers have been made pretty clear over the past few years. So yes none of those opinions have changed but as I said, I do not wish him or any of them harm and as said I hope he recovers. It does appear though that he and many of his cabinet have not really followed their own advice. Only a few weeks ago he was still advocating shaking hands in hospitals while the rest of the world was starting to lock down big style. I dont find that brave or admirable, just flaming stupid. They have not exactly set a great example to the nation who it seems many are still not taking this situation seriously and putting others at risk. Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price. As I keep saying though, I wish him well. Well far be it for me to say but I thought your comment vile at the time , still vile now and you wishing him well flies totally against you only last week proudly boasting hes a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... "They have not exactly set a great example to the nation" followed by "Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price" any chance of an explanation on that ??? ... One of your nice fellow Labour types apologising for what she really means ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52198488 ... Vile An explanation? I thought I had explained. Their delayed response, not securing the resources when they had the chance and Johnson playing the whole thing down and wandering around hospitals shaking hands with people when the rest of the world was already locking down lost us valuable time and set a bad example to the nation so yes, its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that. Fellow Labour types? Told you before, Im politically homeless. Labour is not my natural political home, Im not a socialist. The only thing that borders on truth in that lot is you repeating my "fellow Labour types" ... Just those 3 words ... You've just campaigned for and voted for and defended time and again The Labour Party headed up by Jeremy ... If they aint your party then you are more confused than normal ... You have changed "NHS staff that'll pay the price" to "its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that" ??? ...Regards Oh FFS! Are you bored or summat? How many times do I have to tell you? I campaigned for pretty much any party other than the Tories and Brexit party. We must have been through this a thousand times. My feelings towards Johnson and the "New Tory Party" go way beyond this current crisis, I havent changed anything, just phrased the same sentence differently and not with any great thought. What I think about Johnson and co runs much deeper than their actions during the Coronavirus. Calm down princess ... Since when does having a discussion or picking you up on points you have previously mentioned deserve "FFS!" or "Are you bored or summat" ??? ... You happily have and still do mention Brexit stuff you have been preaching to the rest of the world for nearly 4 years so why the difference with your Labour love ??? ... You are making me feel like a "$hit excuse for a human being" just for pointing out facts Your not pointing out facts your bored so your doing your usual "lets make out Barry is some kind of loony lefty corbynista because its funny and winds him up". Its not and it doesnt. Ah Brexit eh. Remember that? Seems all cuddly and nostalgic now. The only thing Ive mentioned as regards Brexit since the Zombie Apocalypse started was that it might be wise to put the rest of it all on hold for a few years. Actually I think you almost agreed with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 6:26 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 6:02 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:41 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 4:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:00 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 1:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:23 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 9:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 8:21 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 6:20 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 5:44 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 5:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 4:53 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 4:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 1:12 PM The internet is full of arseholes that will post stuff like that just to wind people up. I am sure they are a tiny minority but of course stuff like this gets shared and goes viral, thats what they want. I do not trust or like Boris Johnson but I wish him a speedy recovery. Yes I agree Barry "The internet is full of ar$eholes" (shouldn't the squad be on to that swearing by the way as it might just go against forum rules) ... I remember only last week "one of those ar$eholes" proudly boasting sumat like Boris is a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... Funny old world ... Another of those "ar$eholes" ... https://twitter.com/bulldog_spirit1/status/1246920191428169728 Stupid Boy. "Stupid Boy" ??? ... Why stupid boy ??? ... One can only assume that anyone who fills the internet with those words from last week would revel in our PMs current situation ??? ... Maybe you can explain why last weeks vile comment is different to those Twitter comments ??? Wishing someone dead and calling someone a poor excuse for a human being are not the same are they? I dont trust Johnson and his merry bunch of rotten side kicks, I dont like any of them. I think they have torn this country apart for a generation not to mention the damage they have done and were about to inflict. Ive known people like Johnson. All they and he were ever concerned with is themselves and their route to power. They put on a good act, people fall for it, they even call him by his first name (Which isnt actually Boris). Good old Boris they will say, he's just a fun eccentric good old English bloke. No he isnt. Hes a self centred con man. He doesnt care about you or me. He only cares about himself and his backers. Thats why I called him what I did as I can see through him. Met too many people like him over the years, worked with plenty of his types. However, as said. I do not wish him dead as I am sure most people do not. The irony is if you think back to Maggie Thatcher I think there were a fair few that rejoiced when she finally passed away and most of them are now backing Johnson. Regarding your Margaret Thatcher comment I presume you mean Liebour voters what turned Tory for Brexit ??? You have answered that yourself many times princess havent you , you call them "f2cktards" I think , stupid , thick and the rest ... As for your comment from last week I dont know how many steps off your vile comment was about our PM from those being thrown about wishing him dead on Twitter ... A "$hit excuse for a human" isnt quite same as calling someone stupid or Pansy Boy or sumat like that is it ??? ... You'll explain though and clear it all up I think I have explained it pretty clearly. My feelings on Johnson and his government have not changed but I wish him well no more or no less than anyone who is unfortunate enough to fall victim to this virus. I think you will find this is what I said before his symptoms became serious. Thanks for the explanation and sorry for misunderstanding you ... Side issue I know but remembering its only last week that you told the internet he is a "$hit excuse for a human being" is he still that ??? ... Yet more ... ... Anti-Tory/Boris , Lordy have the left become so vile or were they always so vile but havent always had the internet to hate on ??? If your trying to put me on some kind of guilt trip for what I have said about Boris Johnson now that he is fighting for his life it wont work. I think my feelings towards him and the rest of his cabinet, backers and advisers have been made pretty clear over the past few years. So yes none of those opinions have changed but as I said, I do not wish him or any of them harm and as said I hope he recovers. It does appear though that he and many of his cabinet have not really followed their own advice. Only a few weeks ago he was still advocating shaking hands in hospitals while the rest of the world was starting to lock down big style. I dont find that brave or admirable, just flaming stupid. They have not exactly set a great example to the nation who it seems many are still not taking this situation seriously and putting others at risk. Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price. As I keep saying though, I wish him well. Well far be it for me to say but I thought your comment vile at the time , still vile now and you wishing him well flies totally against you only last week proudly boasting hes a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... "They have not exactly set a great example to the nation" followed by "Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price" any chance of an explanation on that ??? ... One of your nice fellow Labour types apologising for what she really means ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52198488 ... Vile An explanation? I thought I had explained. Their delayed response, not securing the resources when they had the chance and Johnson playing the whole thing down and wandering around hospitals shaking hands with people when the rest of the world was already locking down lost us valuable time and set a bad example to the nation so yes, its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that. Fellow Labour types? Told you before, Im politically homeless. Labour is not my natural political home, Im not a socialist. The only thing that borders on truth in that lot is you repeating my "fellow Labour types" ... Just those 3 words ... You've just campaigned for and voted for and defended time and again The Labour Party headed up by Jeremy ... If they aint your party then you are more confused than normal ... You have changed "NHS staff that'll pay the price" to "its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that" ??? ...Regards Oh FFS! Are you bored or summat? How many times do I have to tell you? I campaigned for pretty much any party other than the Tories and Brexit party. We must have been through this a thousand times. My feelings towards Johnson and the "New Tory Party" go way beyond this current crisis, I havent changed anything, just phrased the same sentence differently and not with any great thought. What I think about Johnson and co runs much deeper than their actions during the Coronavirus. Calm down princess ... Since when does having a discussion or picking you up on points you have previously mentioned deserve "FFS!" or "Are you bored or summat" ??? ... You happily have and still do mention Brexit stuff you have been preaching to the rest of the world for nearly 4 years so why the difference with your Labour love ??? ... You are making me feel like a "$hit excuse for a human being" just for pointing out facts Your not pointing out facts your bored so your doing your usual "lets make out Barry is some kind of loony lefty corbynista because its funny and winds him up". Its not and it doesnt. Ah Brexit eh. Remember that? Seems all cuddly and nostalgic now. The only thing Ive mentioned as regards Brexit since the Zombie Apocalypse started was that it might be wise to put the rest of it all on hold for a few years. Actually I think you almost agreed with me. I would never and have not ever tried to wind anyone up on here anywhere ... Thats the most racist comment I have ever seen on here and very homophobic n'all given I am openly gay and should be a matter for the moderators to hopefully remove you from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 6:34 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 6:26 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 6:02 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:41 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 4:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:00 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 1:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:23 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 9:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 8:21 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 6:20 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 5:44 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 5:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 4:53 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 4:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 1:12 PM The internet is full of arseholes that will post stuff like that just to wind people up. I am sure they are a tiny minority but of course stuff like this gets shared and goes viral, thats what they want. I do not trust or like Boris Johnson but I wish him a speedy recovery. Yes I agree Barry "The internet is full of ar$eholes" (shouldn't the squad be on to that swearing by the way as it might just go against forum rules) ... I remember only last week "one of those ar$eholes" proudly boasting sumat like Boris is a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... Funny old world ... Another of those "ar$eholes" ... https://twitter.com/bulldog_spirit1/status/1246920191428169728 Stupid Boy. "Stupid Boy" ??? ... Why stupid boy ??? ... One can only assume that anyone who fills the internet with those words from last week would revel in our PMs current situation ??? ... Maybe you can explain why last weeks vile comment is different to those Twitter comments ??? Wishing someone dead and calling someone a poor excuse for a human being are not the same are they? I dont trust Johnson and his merry bunch of rotten side kicks, I dont like any of them. I think they have torn this country apart for a generation not to mention the damage they have done and were about to inflict. Ive known people like Johnson. All they and he were ever concerned with is themselves and their route to power. They put on a good act, people fall for it, they even call him by his first name (Which isnt actually Boris). Good old Boris they will say, he's just a fun eccentric good old English bloke. No he isnt. Hes a self centred con man. He doesnt care about you or me. He only cares about himself and his backers. Thats why I called him what I did as I can see through him. Met too many people like him over the years, worked with plenty of his types. However, as said. I do not wish him dead as I am sure most people do not. The irony is if you think back to Maggie Thatcher I think there were a fair few that rejoiced when she finally passed away and most of them are now backing Johnson. Regarding your Margaret Thatcher comment I presume you mean Liebour voters what turned Tory for Brexit ??? You have answered that yourself many times princess havent you , you call them "f2cktards" I think , stupid , thick and the rest ... As for your comment from last week I dont know how many steps off your vile comment was about our PM from those being thrown about wishing him dead on Twitter ... A "$hit excuse for a human" isnt quite same as calling someone stupid or Pansy Boy or sumat like that is it ??? ... You'll explain though and clear it all up I think I have explained it pretty clearly. My feelings on Johnson and his government have not changed but I wish him well no more or no less than anyone who is unfortunate enough to fall victim to this virus. I think you will find this is what I said before his symptoms became serious. Thanks for the explanation and sorry for misunderstanding you ... Side issue I know but remembering its only last week that you told the internet he is a "$hit excuse for a human being" is he still that ??? ... Yet more ... ... Anti-Tory/Boris , Lordy have the left become so vile or were they always so vile but havent always had the internet to hate on ??? If your trying to put me on some kind of guilt trip for what I have said about Boris Johnson now that he is fighting for his life it wont work. I think my feelings towards him and the rest of his cabinet, backers and advisers have been made pretty clear over the past few years. So yes none of those opinions have changed but as I said, I do not wish him or any of them harm and as said I hope he recovers. It does appear though that he and many of his cabinet have not really followed their own advice. Only a few weeks ago he was still advocating shaking hands in hospitals while the rest of the world was starting to lock down big style. I dont find that brave or admirable, just flaming stupid. They have not exactly set a great example to the nation who it seems many are still not taking this situation seriously and putting others at risk. Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price. As I keep saying though, I wish him well. Well far be it for me to say but I thought your comment vile at the time , still vile now and you wishing him well flies totally against you only last week proudly boasting hes a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... "They have not exactly set a great example to the nation" followed by "Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price" any chance of an explanation on that ??? ... One of your nice fellow Labour types apologising for what she really means ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52198488 ... Vile An explanation? I thought I had explained. Their delayed response, not securing the resources when they had the chance and Johnson playing the whole thing down and wandering around hospitals shaking hands with people when the rest of the world was already locking down lost us valuable time and set a bad example to the nation so yes, its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that. Fellow Labour types? Told you before, Im politically homeless. Labour is not my natural political home, Im not a socialist. The only thing that borders on truth in that lot is you repeating my "fellow Labour types" ... Just those 3 words ... You've just campaigned for and voted for and defended time and again The Labour Party headed up by Jeremy ... If they aint your party then you are more confused than normal ... You have changed "NHS staff that'll pay the price" to "its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that" ??? ...Regards Oh FFS! Are you bored or summat? How many times do I have to tell you? I campaigned for pretty much any party other than the Tories and Brexit party. We must have been through this a thousand times. My feelings towards Johnson and the "New Tory Party" go way beyond this current crisis, I havent changed anything, just phrased the same sentence differently and not with any great thought. What I think about Johnson and co runs much deeper than their actions during the Coronavirus. Calm down princess ... Since when does having a discussion or picking you up on points you have previously mentioned deserve "FFS!" or "Are you bored or summat" ??? ... You happily have and still do mention Brexit stuff you have been preaching to the rest of the world for nearly 4 years so why the difference with your Labour love ??? ... You are making me feel like a "$hit excuse for a human being" just for pointing out facts Your not pointing out facts your bored so your doing your usual "lets make out Barry is some kind of loony lefty corbynista because its funny and winds him up". Its not and it doesnt. Ah Brexit eh. Remember that? Seems all cuddly and nostalgic now. The only thing Ive mentioned as regards Brexit since the Zombie Apocalypse started was that it might be wise to put the rest of it all on hold for a few years. Actually I think you almost agreed with me. I would never and have not ever tried to wind anyone up on here anywhere ... Thats the most racist comment I have ever seen on here and very homophobic n'all given I am openly gay and should be a matter for the moderators to hopefully remove you from here How do you know Im not one of the moderators? Mwahahahaa! 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Tracker - 2020-04-07 5:58 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 5:43 PM Sorry to break in chaps, and hello Rich, but this reads to me like an argument in favour of mediocrity. Is that really the best we should hope for? Just to be about average? Is that going to be all we need in our brave new world? I had hoped we'd be at the top of the scale, demonstrating why the rest of the world should rely on us for sound government and a superior economy with which they will be anxious to trade. Hind sight, after all, isn't a sin, it is what we should use to learn from our mistakes and continually improve. Just saying well, we came fifth in a ten horse race, which is pretty good, really, just won't cut the mustard. Quite so Brian, but mediocrity is something we have become increasingly used to over the years as successive governments have encouraged people to demand their rights without accepting their responsibilities. Fine when most people get their own way but not so fine when discipline - remember that - is called for. Would you sooner we had the other extreme like China where the nation is ruled by a domineering big brother state and almost everyone is afraid to move out of sync with the demands made on them, although it seems to work for the all powerful all conquering Chinese state who look like coming out of this stronger, wealthier and more powerful - must be a dream come true for the Party?. Maybe there is a half way stage like maybe Germany but one thing is for sure, the human race is incapable of learning from past events - why is there still war for example - have we not had enough over the past 1000 years? I think we have been particularly unlucky, but have exacerbated that by electing a relatively inexperienced (both in terms of experience in government, but also of "normal" non-political life) government. Not their fault. Boris is a perennial optimist, who is dismissive of detail, and tends not to foresee (or look for) the consequences of his words and actions. He seems to me to have selected a cabinet who are slightly in awe of him, but who are of broadly similar temperament. They now confront two highly significant issues, Brexit and the coronavirus. Each of which has the potential to be hugely damaging economically but, taken together (as they inescapably must be), they have incalculable destructive potential. One is self inflicted, and could be easily managed out of the way, but doing so would wreak political damage. The other is the product of cruel chance, but has been allowed to spread further and faster than might have been the case, and is now outside anyone's control - although it is being curtailed to remain within what the health service, with considerable risk, is able to accommodate. The added tragedy is that we have, for a number of years past, lacked a convincing, competent, effective political opposition, and have compounded that by collectively giving the present government an unassailable majority. They are now running hard to try to catch up but, whatever they manage to achieve, I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 6:53 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 6:34 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 6:26 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 6:02 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:41 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 4:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 4:00 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 1:49 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:23 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 9:39 AM Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 8:21 AM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 6:20 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 5:44 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 5:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 4:53 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-06 4:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-06 1:12 PM The internet is full of arseholes that will post stuff like that just to wind people up. I am sure they are a tiny minority but of course stuff like this gets shared and goes viral, thats what they want. I do not trust or like Boris Johnson but I wish him a speedy recovery. Yes I agree Barry "The internet is full of ar$eholes" (shouldn't the squad be on to that swearing by the way as it might just go against forum rules) ... I remember only last week "one of those ar$eholes" proudly boasting sumat like Boris is a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... Funny old world ... Another of those "ar$eholes" ... https://twitter.com/bulldog_spirit1/status/1246920191428169728 Stupid Boy. "Stupid Boy" ??? ... Why stupid boy ??? ... One can only assume that anyone who fills the internet with those words from last week would revel in our PMs current situation ??? ... Maybe you can explain why last weeks vile comment is different to those Twitter comments ??? Wishing someone dead and calling someone a poor excuse for a human being are not the same are they? I dont trust Johnson and his merry bunch of rotten side kicks, I dont like any of them. I think they have torn this country apart for a generation not to mention the damage they have done and were about to inflict. Ive known people like Johnson. All they and he were ever concerned with is themselves and their route to power. They put on a good act, people fall for it, they even call him by his first name (Which isnt actually Boris). Good old Boris they will say, he's just a fun eccentric good old English bloke. No he isnt. Hes a self centred con man. He doesnt care about you or me. He only cares about himself and his backers. Thats why I called him what I did as I can see through him. Met too many people like him over the years, worked with plenty of his types. However, as said. I do not wish him dead as I am sure most people do not. The irony is if you think back to Maggie Thatcher I think there were a fair few that rejoiced when she finally passed away and most of them are now backing Johnson. Regarding your Margaret Thatcher comment I presume you mean Liebour voters what turned Tory for Brexit ??? You have answered that yourself many times princess havent you , you call them "f2cktards" I think , stupid , thick and the rest ... As for your comment from last week I dont know how many steps off your vile comment was about our PM from those being thrown about wishing him dead on Twitter ... A "$hit excuse for a human" isnt quite same as calling someone stupid or Pansy Boy or sumat like that is it ??? ... You'll explain though and clear it all up I think I have explained it pretty clearly. My feelings on Johnson and his government have not changed but I wish him well no more or no less than anyone who is unfortunate enough to fall victim to this virus. I think you will find this is what I said before his symptoms became serious. Thanks for the explanation and sorry for misunderstanding you ... Side issue I know but remembering its only last week that you told the internet he is a "$hit excuse for a human being" is he still that ??? ... Yet more ... ... Anti-Tory/Boris , Lordy have the left become so vile or were they always so vile but havent always had the internet to hate on ??? If your trying to put me on some kind of guilt trip for what I have said about Boris Johnson now that he is fighting for his life it wont work. I think my feelings towards him and the rest of his cabinet, backers and advisers have been made pretty clear over the past few years. So yes none of those opinions have changed but as I said, I do not wish him or any of them harm and as said I hope he recovers. It does appear though that he and many of his cabinet have not really followed their own advice. Only a few weeks ago he was still advocating shaking hands in hospitals while the rest of the world was starting to lock down big style. I dont find that brave or admirable, just flaming stupid. They have not exactly set a great example to the nation who it seems many are still not taking this situation seriously and putting others at risk. Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price. As I keep saying though, I wish him well. Well far be it for me to say but I thought your comment vile at the time , still vile now and you wishing him well flies totally against you only last week proudly boasting hes a "$hit excuse for a human being" ... "They have not exactly set a great example to the nation" followed by "Because of that its our valuable NHS staff that will pay the price" any chance of an explanation on that ??? ... One of your nice fellow Labour types apologising for what she really means ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52198488 ... Vile An explanation? I thought I had explained. Their delayed response, not securing the resources when they had the chance and Johnson playing the whole thing down and wandering around hospitals shaking hands with people when the rest of the world was already locking down lost us valuable time and set a bad example to the nation so yes, its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that. Fellow Labour types? Told you before, Im politically homeless. Labour is not my natural political home, Im not a socialist. The only thing that borders on truth in that lot is you repeating my "fellow Labour types" ... Just those 3 words ... You've just campaigned for and voted for and defended time and again The Labour Party headed up by Jeremy ... If they aint your party then you are more confused than normal ... You have changed "NHS staff that'll pay the price" to "its quite possible the NHS will pay a price for that" ??? ...Regards Oh FFS! Are you bored or summat? How many times do I have to tell you? I campaigned for pretty much any party other than the Tories and Brexit party. We must have been through this a thousand times. My feelings towards Johnson and the "New Tory Party" go way beyond this current crisis, I havent changed anything, just phrased the same sentence differently and not with any great thought. What I think about Johnson and co runs much deeper than their actions during the Coronavirus. Calm down princess ... Since when does having a discussion or picking you up on points you have previously mentioned deserve "FFS!" or "Are you bored or summat" ??? ... You happily have and still do mention Brexit stuff you have been preaching to the rest of the world for nearly 4 years so why the difference with your Labour love ??? ... You are making me feel like a "$hit excuse for a human being" just for pointing out facts Your not pointing out facts your bored so your doing your usual "lets make out Barry is some kind of loony lefty corbynista because its funny and winds him up". Its not and it doesnt. Ah Brexit eh. Remember that? Seems all cuddly and nostalgic now. The only thing Ive mentioned as regards Brexit since the Zombie Apocalypse started was that it might be wise to put the rest of it all on hold for a few years. Actually I think you almost agreed with me. I would never and have not ever tried to wind anyone up on here anywhere ... Thats the most racist comment I have ever seen on here and very homophobic n'all given I am openly gay and should be a matter for the moderators to hopefully remove you from here How do you know Im not one of the moderators? Mwahahahaa! 8-) Given the members who have been ejected off here you could well be a mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Quite so - and given our propensity in the UK never to be able to learn anything at all from history it would be a braver man than I to bet his shilling against that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Those who import Chinese goods do so because the likes of you and me buy them ... It obviously upsets you so stop buying Chinese goods (which is quite racist , imagine POTUS Trump saying such a thing) and insist on anything other and those importing will import from elsewhere ... Blame consumers and the general public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 7:47 PM Those who import Chinese goods do so because the likes of you and me buy them ... It obviously upsets you so stop buying Chinese goods (which is quite racist , imagine POTUS Trump saying such a thing) and insist on anything other and those importing will import from elsewhere ... Blame consumers and the general public Don't talk daft, how can supporting your own country be called racist. Nobody is insulting the Chinese for their self protectionism so why try and create something that is not there. If successive governments supported and encouraged manufacturing in the UK over many decades we would not se so far up that certain creek sans paddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Brits love their smartphones though and China supplies. Separating a Brit from their smartphone would require surgery! They also account for a fair chunk of computer stuff. But Chinas exports to UK are half that of what we buy from US and Germany. Even Netherlands exports more to us than China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 As a start we could ensure that post Brexit and working with the EU a strong European manufacturing base is re-established. There is nothing the Chinese make that Europe could not make - sure it might cost more but if that is the price of economic security it would be money well spent and worth every penny. Nobody needs a new phone every 5 minutes and we need to get away from perceived obsolescence of all consmer goods and using borrowed money to pay for it. Fat chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 7:47 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Those who import Chinese goods do so because the likes of you and me buy them ... It obviously upsets you so stop buying Chinese goods (which is quite racist , imagine POTUS Trump saying such a thing) and insist on anything other and those importing will import from elsewhere ... Blame consumers and the general public Obviously it wasn’t obvious but I didn’t say I was unhappy to buy from the Chinese . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-07 8:15 PM Obviously it wasn’t obvious but I didn’t say I was unhappy to buy from the Chinese . Me neither, I'm just happy to be able to get whatever I fancy or need, but wouldn't it be good to be able to have the choice to buy local - even if it did cost a bit more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 7:47 PM Those who import Chinese goods do so because the likes of you and me buy them ... It obviously upsets you so stop buying Chinese goods (which is quite racist , imagine POTUS Trump saying such a thing) and insist on anything other and those importing will import from elsewhere ... Blame consumers and the general public Don't talk daft, how can supporting your own country be called racist. Nobody is insulting the Chinese for their self protectionism so why try and create something that is not there. If successive governments supported and encouraged manufacturing in the UK over many decades we would not se so far up that certain creek sans paddle. You dont remember "Little Englander" then Richard from the Brexit debates ... I seem to remember time and again that little nugget produced by the squad members and why ??? ... Because Brexiteers supported their own country as you say ... As for anyone insulting anyone for self protectionism then I believe you may have missed all the grief POTUS Trump has received for just that , not China though the much hated by those on here USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-07 8:15 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 7:47 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Those who import Chinese goods do so because the likes of you and me buy them ... It obviously upsets you so stop buying Chinese goods (which is quite racist , imagine POTUS Trump saying such a thing) and insist on anything other and those importing will import from elsewhere ... Blame consumers and the general public Obviously it wasn’t obvious but I didn’t say I was unhappy to buy from the Chinese . So you are happy to buy from the Chinese but dont like them becoming stronger because your buying from them ??? ... Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 9:01 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-07 8:15 PM Birdbrain - 2020-04-07 7:47 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Those who import Chinese goods do so because the likes of you and me buy them ... It obviously upsets you so stop buying Chinese goods (which is quite racist , imagine POTUS Trump saying such a thing) and insist on anything other and those importing will import from elsewhere ... Blame consumers and the general public Obviously it wasn’t obvious but I didn’t say I was unhappy to buy from the Chinese . So you are happy to buy from the Chinese but dont like them becoming stronger because your buying from them ??? ... Go figure You obviously didn’t pay attention, I just said they will become stronger, nothing to do with like . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-04-07 8:00 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Brits love their smartphones though and China supplies. Separating a Brit from their smartphone would require surgery! They also account for a fair chunk of computer stuff. But Chinas exports to UK are half that of what we buy from US and Germany. Even Netherlands exports more to us than China. I wonder if that includes computers though as I was talking to a major UK distributor today as we have had major issues with IT supplies and virtually all of the computers and technology we get here in the UK comes in originally from China but it lands in the Netherlands first before being distributed around Europe and to the UK. The last two orders I had while everything was starting to go tits up were chaotic. First one took over there weeks to get sorted and delivered and the second one 12 days. Normal lead time should have been 2-3 days. Prices for some stuff if you can get it have shot up. We totally depend on both China and Europe for distribution and of course cost! Ill happily sell IT kit though at three times the price if its made here, as long as someone will buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:10 PM Bulletguy - 2020-04-07 8:00 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-07 7:34 PM Tracker - 2020-04-07 7:14 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-04-07 7:06 PM I think we will emerge at the (presently unforeseeable) end of this period of monumental double-whammies, as a seriously damaged nation. That is one prediction I earnestly hope will be comprehensively proved wrong - but I wouldn't want to bet even that shilling of yours on it. In short, I think we're roundly stuffed for the foreseeable future. On that we do agree, I think the economic cost will be akin to the WW2 debt and disruption that our 'friends' the Yanks imposed on us for keeping them free, albeit with their monumental help. I think the real winners will be China and heaven help us economically as they gain strength and power. It was only a few years ago we had the last repayment to the Yanks for WWII. China will only be strong if we keep buying from them. Brits love their smartphones though and China supplies. Separating a Brit from their smartphone would require surgery! They also account for a fair chunk of computer stuff. But Chinas exports to UK are half that of what we buy from US and Germany. Even Netherlands exports more to us than China. I wonder if that includes computers though as I was talking to a major UK distributor today as we have had major issues with IT supplies and virtually all of the computers and technology we get here in the UK comes in originally from China but it lands in the Netherlands first before being distributed around Europe and to the UK. The last two orders I had while everything was starting to go tits up were chaotic. First one took over there weeks to get sorted and delivered and the second one 12 days. Normal lead time should have been 2-3 days. Prices for some stuff if you can get it have shot up. We totally depend on both China and Europe for distribution and of course cost! Ill happily sell IT kit though at three times the price if its made here, as long as someone will buy it. PC stuff from Netherlands is low down. Oil, gas, fruit 'n veg, meat and flowers top the list. That figures as where i used to work it backed on to a business park and a huge NL reg truck used to pull up outside a florist supplier every damn week! God knows how many flowers and bulbs they must have been shifting! This article says it's in decline and apparently China has just overtaken them but Germany outstrips both them and the US. A year old but gives some idea. I did have more current stats on a pdf but cant locate it now. https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2019/10/dutch-domestic-exports-to-the-uk-recording-decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-07 10:10 PM........................I wonder if that includes computers though as I was talking to a major UK distributor today as we have had major issues with IT supplies and virtually all of the computers and technology we get here in the UK comes in originally from China but it lands in the Netherlands first before being distributed around Europe and to the UK. The last two orders I had while everything was starting to go tits up were chaotic. First one took over there weeks to get sorted and delivered and the second one 12 days. Normal lead time should have been 2-3 days. Prices for some stuff if you can get it have shot up. We totally depend on both China and Europe for distribution and of course cost! Ill happily sell IT kit though at three times the price if its made here, as long as someone will buy it. Correct, IMO. It is Europort, through which most imports from overseas enters the EU. The Dutch do very well out of it also, as a proportion of the VAT receipts stay in Holland. But, we also have to question the wisdom of globalisation as presently operated. It is unrealistic to pin the blame on national governments, IMO, as the decisions as to where to manufacture are generally made by the manufacturing companies. Just taking the UK, we used to manufacture all kind of stuff that has since been "offshored" to overseas locations. Consumers don't dictate where goods are made, the manufacturers do. Ford re-sited Transit production to Turkey. Dunlop re-sided it tyre production to the far east. IBM (USA) re-sited its Lenovo computer production to (in my case) Hungary, and its European admin functions to Ireland. British car makers laughed and laughed at the funny continental makers for years. Who's laughing now? It doesn't matter what the name on the product is, when you turn it over, it says made in China (or elsewhere in the far east). My Tosh (Japanese) laptop says Toshiba Europe Gmbh - made in China. The (Toshiba branded) hard drive I replaced with an SSD was made in the Philippines, the (Samsung branded) SSD in Korea. The original 4GB (Samsung branded) memory module was made in China, the two (Kingston (USA) branded) 4GB memory modules I replaced that with in Taiwan. The 4GB memory from the Lenovo desktop was Samsung made in China. The two 4GD Kingston branded module that now replace that also in China. Companies just produce wherever is cheapest: so much clothing is made in appalling conditions in India. They all do this in seeking to maximise profit and their share prices - because if they don't, someone else will. The main problem, IMO, is that in so doing they hollow out jobs in their home countries while providing mere (though welcome) employment in countries that provide little in the way of education, healthcare, sanitation, social security, legal redress, employment rights, animal welfare and food standards etc. etc. for their own populations. We think the resulting abundance of cheap goods near miraculous, because we do not see the cost for those actually producing it, and for those whose jobs were offshored to facilitate its low price. Individual nation states can't shield their home markets against this force, it requires international cooperation and agreement to break the dog eat dog competition that unregulated markets foster. We do this with most sports, by creating leagues through which competitors are pitted against their peers, rather than allowing a complete free for all. We need to do something similar with global trade so that those countries with higher general living standards are not undermined by corporations shifting production offshore in response to market pressures, without bringing real benefit to the countries to which production is moved. That requires intelligent tariffs, but also common rules for such things as employment rights etc. etc.so that living standards improve for whole populations in the producer countries. This obviously flirts with protectionism, but there is no need for that to impede innovation or strangle competition. We are surrounded by standards for the goods we buy to ensure that are "safe" to use, we just need similar standards to ensure they are also safe to make, wherever they are made. Apologies: put it down to enforced coronavirus house arrest! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I must admit Brian, concentration was wavering, but I managed to read it all - well most of it - and I agree. How about we (in Western Europe) redevelop our own manufacturing base using lessons learned from far Eastern countries, just as they did from us not so very long ago? From the local wealth generated within Europe will then be able to help other nations become more self sustaining so that more of the wealth generated in those countries stays in those countries. Now that would be a constructive role for the EU to lead on. The brave New World created can be re-named Utopia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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