jumpstart Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 pepe63 - 2020-04-29 2:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-29 12:51 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-29 10:31 AM First airport with virus detector. https://apple.news/AY1vNLE-GThOAu288iLLGDA J Horse and Bolt. They have been doing this all over the world for months. not here though. Have I read that right?....Bournemouth airport? that well known gateway to/from the world?...********g Bournemouth? 8-) Every time I drive past there’s not a plane in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-04-29 12:51 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-29 10:31 AM First airport with virus detector. https://apple.news/AY1vNLE-GThOAu288iLLGDA Horse and Bolt. They have been doing this all over the world for months. not here though. And do they have the virus all over the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-29 10:31 AM First airport with virus detector. https://apple.news/AY1vNLE-GThOAu288iLLGDA Well, yes...……..but. :-D "The tripod-mounted cameras have been fixed to the airport’s staff entrance but will soon be installed at every entrance to the airport’s departures and arrivals terminals." Bit like the British guns at Singapore, methinks! :-D Assuming the report is accurate (it is only the Metro, after all!), all they seem to be doing is taking remote temperature readings from people arriving at the terminals, rather than arriving off 'planes. Even then, anyone whose temperature is sufficiently elevated to record on the cameral will already be infected, and shedding the virus as they go. More horse, more stable door etc! :-D It is the passengers who have just disembarked from flights who need to be tested, ideally after they get their bags and before they get to passport control, to be escorted through a separate virus lock passport control, and then straight to compulsory quarantine facilities. There are supposed to be a large number of closed hotels at present that would surely welcome the trade, with an increase in room service only clients for 14 day full-board stays! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-29 2:41 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-29 12:51 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-29 10:31 AM First airport with virus detector. https://apple.news/AY1vNLE-GThOAu288iLLGDA Horse and Bolt. They have been doing this all over the world for months. not here though. And do they have the virus all over the world? Yes because they don't all have the advantage of being surrounded by water we do to keep the virus out. Most of them didn't have as much notice either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-29 7:32 AM Bulletguy - 2020-04-28 9:51 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 8:47 PM Bulletguy - 2020-04-28 8:20 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 7:46 PM Brian with no accurate test ,a 14 day incubation period, what would be the point of quarantine,where would you put hundreds of thousands of people and how do you police it? Brian may have other answers but quarantine is effective containment and NZ used hotels and other 'suitable places' designated by government. It was all returning citizens and is what we should have done but didn't bother. What the number of returning UK citizens has been i don't know as i've seen no figure published but doubt it was in the 'hundreds of thousands'. We had 230,000 arriving just at Heathrow per day , New Zealand was a small fraction of this. So taking all Uk airports,ferry terminals etc which hotels do you use to put 1 mil people every day in isolation for 14 days. It sounds nice but you can’t do it. That's roughly Heathrows daily average but how many of those were returning UK citizens? Heathrow is an international airport so a significant number would be in transit to their home country. If you have a link it would help if you posted it as i've not found anything showing the number of returning UK citizens. Couldn’t find information on transit passengers, maybe say half at Heathrow, 80% at Gatwick,Manchester,Belfast,Glasgow,Inverness, 100% at Victoria station,Dover,Portsmouth,Southampton, Plymouth,Liverpool and on and on. So the logistics to isolate or test before a country has shutdown or coach them somewhere is impossible. Even South Korea were only doing 200,000 per day testing. The only countries that have managed it are ether small in size or small in population like NewZealand or Singapore. The scientists (God bless them) did say there was no point in isolating passengers as many would not show symptoms for 14 days if at all. No major country in the world was set up to deal with this. Too much conjecture on the number of returning Brits j/start. Truth is no figures ever got published as we just allowed them to freely wander back in. Regards testing, yes SK were doing testing and tracing from very early on and that figure is widely publicised, similarly with Germany too. By comparison we've only just started testing and government pledged 100,000 a day by the end of this month....but only managed less than half that. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51943612 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 pepe63 - 2020-04-29 2:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-29 12:51 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-29 10:31 AM First airport with virus detector. https://apple.news/AY1vNLE-GThOAu288iLLGDA Horse and Bolt. They have been doing this all over the world for months. not here though. Have I read that right?....Bournemouth airport? that well known gateway to/from the world?...********g Bournemouth? 8-) It's like something from a Monty Python sketch. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 pepe63 - 2020-04-29 2:17 PM Barryd999 - 2020-04-29 12:51 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-29 10:31 AM First airport with virus detector. https://apple.news/AY1vNLE-GThOAu288iLLGDA Horse and Bolt. They have been doing this all over the world for months. not here though. Have I read that right?....Bournemouth airport? that well known gateway to/from the world?...********g Bournemouth? 8-) It's a lovely little airport B-) ........ Perhaps it's a Pelmetman detector 8-).......... (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Too late.....I'm back >:-) ....... That's another 50p 8-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-29 9:42 AM pelmetman - 2020-04-29 9:00 AM John52 - 2020-04-29 7:58 AM jumpstart - 2020-04-29 7:32 AM Couldn’t find information on transit passengers, maybe say half at Heathrow, 80% at Gatwick,Manchester,Belfast,Glasgow,Inverness, 100% at Victoria station,Dover,Portsmouth,Southampton, Plymouth,Liverpool and on and on. So the logistics to isolate or test before a country has shutdown or coach them somewhere is impossible. Even South Korea were only doing 200,000 per day testing. The only countries that have managed it are ether small in size or small in population like NewZealand or Singapore. The scientists (God bless them) did say there was no point in isolating passengers as many would not show symptoms for 14 days if at all. No major country in the world was set up to deal with this. So you have learned how to phrase a leading question There would be less people coming in if they knew they would be in quarantine for 14 days. We might have had to stop them coming in faster than we could quarantine them Wouldn't have been easy but would certainly have been better than what we have got now. Are you still travelling the country spreading your Loser Lefty Cr*p? *-) ....... Just askin ;-) ............ Isn't that what they call a leading question :D So yes OR no...... are you still mobile and dumping in binbags ;-) ...... Whilst still leaving your bricks and morter empty (?) ...... Just askin for a bloke called Bullet (lol) (lol) (lol) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-28 7:46 PM Brian with no accurate test ,a 14 day incubation period, what would be the point of quarantine,where would you put hundreds of thousands of people and how do you police it? Sorry John, I missed this. It seems WHO approved tests became feasible by late January, at about the same time that the first cases were detected in UK. How many, or how readily available, I don't know, but it seems that the WHO were distributing, or encouraging distribution of, such tests to third world countries from about that time. A country such as the UK should have been able to divert resources to test production, as it seems the equipment is not that complex and others were able to produce the "kits" the WHO had approved. The imposition of quarantine restrictions would inevitably have reduced the inflow of travellers as I would imagine few would welcome 7 - 14 days cooped up and would have looked to other means to conduct their business. To gain time we could reasonably have closed our borders to some on grounds of public health, we could have required would-be entrants to obtain certificated tests before departure to reduce the risk to their fellow passengers. Widespread policing should not have been required, since quarantine is just that, incarceration for whatever period is deemed necessary. It should only have been the doors to the centres that needed to be policed. Not easy, but feasible if the libertarian instincts of the government had been set aside. I understand that in most cases the virus can be detected from about day seven following infection, but that in the case of the throat swab test after this time the virus is no longer detectable in the throat. Results take up to three days to obtain, depending on the test used and the lab equipment available. So, by the beginning of March, possibly a little earlier if really prioritised, I think at least selective quarantining should have been possible. From what I can see, whereas a number of other countries including the USA have imposed travel restrictions, with, or without, quarantine restrictions, the UK has so far imposed none. I freely concede that this is incredibly difficult, especially for this new, and inexperienced government. But, where mistakes have been made they must be admitted and owned, otherwise we learn nothing. Viruses and antibiotic resistant bacteria being what they are, we'd be mad to assume this is the pandemic to end all pandemics. There will be others, and the next one is as likely be more serious than less serious. We had the warnings, we did the homework, and then we threw it away. Under the circumstances, that looks to me like a mistake. I think the costs of relative inaction will prove greater, I think substantially greater, than the possible costs of action. But, we shall have to wait, I suspect for years, while a Royal commission grinds earnestly, thoroughly, painstakingly, through thousands of pages of evidence before we get any answers. I don't expect to be alive to read the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-29 7:11 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 7:46 PM Brian with no accurate test ,a 14 day incubation period, what would be the point of quarantine,where would you put hundreds of thousands of people and how do you police it? Sorry John, I missed this. It seems WHO approved tests became feasible by late January, at about the same time that the first cases were detected in UK. How many, or how readily available, I don't know, but it seems that the WHO were distributing, or encouraging distribution of, such tests to third world countries from about that time. A country such as the UK should have been able to divert resources to test production, as it seems the equipment is not that complex and others were able to produce the "kits" the WHO had approved. The imposition of quarantine restrictions would inevitably have reduced the inflow of travellers as I would imagine few would welcome 7 - 14 days cooped up and would have looked to other means to conduct their business. To gain time we could reasonably have closed our borders to some on grounds of public health, we could have required would-be entrants to obtain certificated tests before departure to reduce the risk to their fellow passengers. Widespread policing should not have been required, since quarantine is just that, incarceration for whatever period is deemed necessary. It should only have been the doors to the centres that needed to be policed. Not easy, but feasible if the libertarian instincts of the government had been set aside. I understand that in most cases the virus can be detected from about day seven following infection, but that in the case of the throat swab test after this time the virus is no longer detectable in the throat. Results take up to three days to obtain, depending on the test used and the lab equipment available. So, by the beginning of March, possibly a little earlier if really prioritised, I think at least selective quarantining should have been possible. From what I can see, whereas a number of other countries including the USA have imposed travel restrictions, with, or without, quarantine restrictions, the UK has so far imposed none. I freely concede that this is incredibly difficult, especially for this new, and inexperienced government. But, where mistakes have been made they must be admitted and owned, otherwise we learn nothing. Viruses and antibiotic resistant bacteria being what they are, we'd be mad to assume this is the pandemic to end all pandemics. There will be others, and the next one is as likely be more serious than less serious. We had the warnings, we did the homework, and then we threw it away. Under the circumstances, that looks to me like a mistake. I think the costs of relative inaction will prove greater, I think substantially greater, than the possible costs of action. But, we shall have to wait, I suspect for years, while a Royal commission grinds earnestly, thoroughly, painstakingly, through thousands of pages of evidence before we get any answers. I don't expect to be alive to read the outcome. "I dont expect to be alive to read the outcome" ... Me neither after trawling through that ... Christ ... Bring it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-29 7:11 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 7:46 PM Brian with no accurate test ,a 14 day incubation period, what would be the point of quarantine,where would you put hundreds of thousands of people and how do you police it? Sorry John, I missed this. It seems WHO approved tests became feasible by late January, at about the same time that the first cases were detected in UK. How many, or how readily available, I don't know, but it seems that the WHO were distributing, or encouraging distribution of, such tests to third world countries from about that time. A country such as the UK should have been able to divert resources to test production, as it seems the equipment is not that complex and others were able to produce the "kits" the WHO had approved. The imposition of quarantine restrictions would inevitably have reduced the inflow of travellers as I would imagine few would welcome 7 - 14 days cooped up and would have looked to other means to conduct their business. To gain time we could reasonably have closed our borders to some on grounds of public health, we could have required would-be entrants to obtain certificated tests before departure to reduce the risk to their fellow passengers. Your Hindsh*te has frankly shocked me Brian >:-( ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-04-29 7:21 PM Your Hindsh*te has frankly shocked me Brian >:-( ......... You have had it explained to you this information was widely known months ago So it is NOT hindsight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-29 7:11 PM jumpstart - 2020-04-28 7:46 PM Brian with no accurate test ,a 14 day incubation period, what would be the point of quarantine,where would you put hundreds of thousands of people and how do you police it? Sorry John, I missed this. It seems WHO approved tests became feasible by late January, at about the same time that the first cases were detected in UK. How many, or how readily available, I don't know, but it seems that the WHO were distributing, or encouraging distribution of, such tests to third world countries from about that time. A country such as the UK should have been able to divert resources to test production, as it seems the equipment is not that complex and others were able to produce the "kits" the WHO had approved. The imposition of quarantine restrictions would inevitably have reduced the inflow of travellers as I would imagine few would welcome 7 - 14 days cooped up and would have looked to other means to conduct their business. To gain time we could reasonably have closed our borders to some on grounds of public health, we could have required would-be entrants to obtain certificated tests before departure to reduce the risk to their fellow passengers. Widespread policing should not have been required, since quarantine is just that, incarceration for whatever period is deemed necessary. It should only have been the doors to the centres that needed to be policed. Not easy, but feasible if the libertarian instincts of the government had been set aside. I understand that in most cases the virus can be detected from about day seven following infection, but that in the case of the throat swab test after this time the virus is no longer detectable in the throat. Results take up to three days to obtain, depending on the test used and the lab equipment available. So, by the beginning of March, possibly a little earlier if really prioritised, I think at least selective quarantining should have been possible. From what I can see, whereas a number of other countries including the USA have imposed travel restrictions, with, or without, quarantine restrictions, the UK has so far imposed none. I freely concede that this is incredibly difficult, especially for this new, and inexperienced government. But, where mistakes have been made they must be admitted and owned, otherwise we learn nothing. Viruses and antibiotic resistant bacteria being what they are, we'd be mad to assume this is the pandemic to end all pandemics. There will be others, and the next one is as likely be more serious than less serious. We had the warnings, we did the homework, and then we threw it away. Under the circumstances, that looks to me like a mistake. I think the costs of relative inaction will prove greater, I think substantially greater, than the possible costs of action. But, we shall have to wait, I suspect for years, while a Royal commission grinds earnestly, thoroughly, painstakingly, through thousands of pages of evidence before we get any answers. I don't expect to be alive to read the outcome. The WHO recommended tests are inaccurate up to 30%. So basically useless. Swab tests ,not enough data to know the accuracy. To isolate all the people coming back from hols in airports ,ports,stations would be a logistical knightmare. Where would you put them. They can’t successfully police a football match most of the time so dealing with hundreds of thousands who want to go home........ Certainly the government have been economic with the truth and slow. The next Pandemic will be next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-29 6:55 AM globebuster - 2020-04-28 7:20 PM 52 - you may well have a point regarding the government's reaction and subsequent action in the matter. Time will tell on that, in the meantime we'll have to work with what we've got - right or wrong. But let's not confuse that with your apparent disregard for the rest of society with your actions during lockdown. And you have the gall to quote the glass house line! - Farcical Hindsight is a wonderful thing as indeed is foresight - but thank goodness we have you to guide us with your usual sweeping statements - your wealth of knowledge and sage advice on all subject's is a real benefit to mankind and all the participants on this forum. I mean look how you've had the foresight with excrement bags - what with all those public conveniences closing.......genius! So, its got to the stage where even you can't maintain the ludricous assertion that BoJo has done a good job. But you still devote far more time to blaming innocent people for harmless deviations from BoJo's lockdown. Can't you see how you are being manipulated by their spin? Same Old Tory Divide and Rule When have I ever said they were doing a good job? What makes you think I've changed my mind about anything It's not BoJo's lockdown as you obsessively like to put it - it's global There was nothing innocent in your actions - so you write a load of drivel in an effort to try and vindicate yourself. Manipulated! :-D once again thanks for putting me right John! Do you not understand how obsessive you are? You're forever trying to foist your beliefs and ideas onto anyone who might take notice. Let's take for example your Plumbers Mait obsession - if you want to use it that's fine, but why infest every enquiry on this forum regarding sealant advice with your findings. You make far too many assumptions about people, when maybe you should reflect on some of your own actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 globebuster - 2020-04-29 10:02 PM It's not BoJo's lockdown as you obsessively like to put it - it's global They didn't have as much notice as BoJo did, and they don't have the advantage of being an island surrounded by water. I'm self isolating in my (motor)Home. You are being manipulated by Dominic Cummings propaganda, and like all good propaganda you can't see its propaganda. Marina Hyde puts it better than me For you ' the only tolerable debate is the lockdown debate – which palpably suits the government. The Good News Bears love the lockdown debate. Why wouldn’t they? Every second you’re having the lockdown debate is a second you’re not having the debate that starts “how in the name of our necrotic self-respect are we on course to be the worst-hit country in Europe when we had so much warning?” (- and are an island surrounded by water) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/28/boris-johnson-coronavirus-mug-britain-pm-cabinet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 This explains it all....... https://apple.news/Aju0Uu4loSKmsw6Vohb_pMQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-04-30 7:35 AM This explains it all....... https://apple.news/Aju0Uu4loSKmsw6Vohb_pMQ Wonder how they know what the 'scientists' (Dominic Cummins apparently) were advising the Government when its all kept secret *-) They could have asked why the Government is advising the public not to wear face masks, when everyone else is, and even the Government is advising face masks for nhs workers. And Jeremy Corbyn was calling for the lockdown before BoJo did it https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/jeremy-corbyn-says-coronavirus-lockdown-the-right-response-as-boris-johnsons-plan-wins-business-and-union-backing Let it rip & herd immunity to save the economic damage is hardly a left wing thing is it? Thats a right wing thing - but BoJo bottled it when he realised the political damage. Missing the chance to stop it at the borders and giving us a late lockdown - the worst of both worlds. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Sweden went down the route of herd immunity and to start with looked good. Now the deaths are catching them up. Nobody was going to get it all right, the only country in Europe to get it right is Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 John52 - 2020-04-30 5:56 AM globebuster - 2020-04-29 10:02 PM It's not BoJo's lockdown as you obsessively like to put it - it's global They didn't have as much notice as BoJo did, and they don't have the advantage of being an island surrounded by water. I'm self isolating in my (motor)Home. You are being manipulated by Dominic Cummings propaganda, and like all good propaganda you can't see its propaganda. Marina Hyde puts it better than me For you ' the only tolerable debate is the lockdown debate – which palpably suits the government. The Good News Bears love the lockdown debate. Why wouldn’t they? Every second you’re having the lockdown debate is a second you’re not having the debate that starts “how in the name of our necrotic self-respect are we on course to be the worst-hit country in Europe when we had so much warning?” (- and are an island surrounded by water) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/28/boris-johnson-coronavirus-mug-britain-pm-cabinet Your stupidity insults the intelligence of any sane person John. You somehow manage to assume we are all as gullible as you. As for propaganda - I think you're the one being sucked in - but as with all good propaganda YOU can't see it :-D You do seem to get your info from one source..... The only lockdown debate/issue I have is with you - a deluded fool who thinks it's okay to continue bumming around the country. You do occasionally have a point in some of your relentless, obsessive ramblings - but unfortunately they are hidden amongst all the other total cr*p you write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 globebuster - 2020-04-30 10:27 AM...……………..You do occasionally have a point in some of your relentless, obsessive ramblings - but unfortunately they are hidden amongst all the other total cr*p you write. Er, should I assume you disagree? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-04-30 5:20 PM globebuster - 2020-04-30 10:27 AM...……………..You do occasionally have a point in some of your relentless, obsessive ramblings - but unfortunately they are hidden amongst all the other total cr*p you write. Er, should I assume you disagree? :-D Indeed Brian, you should :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 globebuster - 2020-04-30 10:27 AM The only lockdown debate/issue I have is with you - a deluded fool who thinks it's okay to continue bumming around the country. You have failed to explain how self-isolating in a motorhome is bigger risk than self isolating in a house, let alone block of flats or HMO for example. Or why you are so keen to change the subject from BoJo's handling of the crisis. What we should be worried about is that BoJo will copy his hero Trump, who is stoking up another cold war with China to divert attention away from his own mishandling of the crisis >:-) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/donald-trump-coronavirus-chinese-lab-claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-01 7:08 AM globebuster - 2020-04-30 10:27 AM The only lockdown debate/issue I have is with you - a deluded fool who thinks it's okay to continue bumming around the country. You have failed to explain how self-isolating in a motorhome is bigger risk than self isolating in a house, let alone block of flats or HMO for example. Or why you are so keen to change the subject from BoJo's handling of the crisis. What we should be worried about is that BoJo will copy his hero Trump, who is stoking up another cold war with China to divert attention away from his own mishandling of the crisis >:-) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/donald-trump-coronavirus-chinese-lab-claim I don't have to explain anything to you Coco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I once met Coco when I was about 8, he was a super clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-05-01 11:16 AM I once met Coco when I was about 8, he was a super clown. Indeed he was ....... Unfortunately our resident, latter-day version is not quite so amusing - although he is ridiculous in every other respect :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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