John52 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:48 AM John52 - 2020-07-28 11:44 AM StuartO - 2020-07-28 8:59 AM Once again there is no consideration of low achievement and bad behaviour as factors adversely affecting BAME population prospects, it's just , deprivation, deprivation, deprivation. The blinkers of political correctness. So why are they low achievers? Is is because people who have enough about them to emigrate to another country to improve their prospects are idle no hopers *-) Or is it because they are not given the opportunities you had Do you need help to work that one out? Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 8-) ........ Perhaps I should sue him? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Yes I can see you need help to work it out, but I gave upon you long ago and was asking Stuart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 StuartO - 2020-07-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2020-07-27 6:45 PM StuartO - 2020-07-27 4:07 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 1:08 PM StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM Brian has gone very quiet. Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! .... An interesting read - but I found it superficial and unhelpful. I read the Guardian regularly and I learn from doing so. Try these two then. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/04/genetics-bame-people-die-coronavirus-structural-racism https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/why-are-people-from-bame-groups-dying-disproportionately-of-covid-19 Your second link was interesting; written by a Professor Nishi Chaturvedi, director of the MRC Unit for Lifelong Health and Ageing at UCL, so a BAME academic. The final, summary paragraph is: "Ultimately, this is about health inequalities, about deprivation and affluence and how important socio-economic status is in determining health outcomes. This isn’t just an ethnicity story, it affects all of us. Britain has a long history of health inequalities. It’s critically important to understand and I’m relieved that the government is taking this seriously." The first link says the same sort of thing; it's all down to deprivation: "But there is evidence they are the result of structural racism. All these underlying problems can be directly connected to the food and exercise you have access to, the level of education, employment, housing, healthcare, economic and political power within these communities." Once again there is no consideration of low achievement and bad behaviour as factors adversely affecting BAME population prospects, it's just , deprivation, deprivation, deprivation. The blinkers of political correctness. Apparently the ONS had adjusted their figures to filter out deprivation, household composition, socioeconomic status, education etc but the fatality figures were still disproportionate. I don't see anything 'pc' related about deprivation. I would see ignoring it or remaining in a state of denial over it as 'blinkered' as it exists throughout the country and the 2018 report on poverty from UN special rapporteur Prof Philip Alston is testimony to that. Full report here; https://tinyurl.com/yda8kphu You mentioned before about 'low achievers' and 'bad behaviour' as factors adversely affecting BAME population but never elaborated on either. Are you suggesting they are contributory causes to Covid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:42 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 11:29 AM pelmetman - 2020-07-28 8:34 AM 1 Yep an excellent read ;-) ......... 2 Which proves that the UK is not the multi cultural nirvana folk like you would have us believe :-| ........ 3 Yet as per usual you appear to blame the indigenous population for not integrating with the immigrants *-) ...... 4 Perhaps I am old fashioned in thinking it should be the other way round (?) ........... 1 Agreed 2 Straight to the personal, as usual. However, it could only provide the proof you claim, if your pigeonhole mental image of me matched reality. I don't think, and have never thought, the UK is a multicultural nirvana, and I have never posted anything on here to suggest I think that. 3 No. But it takes two to tango. You said you'd read the article. So, imagine how confident you'd feel as an immigrant to Blackburn about mixing with the indigenous population, if you had been continually attacked, called names, or pointedly avoided in the street, by them, as the article describes, purely because of the colour of your skin. It has to be accepted that there is fault on both sides. 4 When in Rome? Yes. But you first need a Roman to explain Rome's ways before you can assume them. So did the Blackburnians set out to assist the immigrants in settling in? You wouldn't have made that statement if you'd really read the article, because the answer is in there. Just imagine - "Thank you for beating me up for my appearance, why not come round for dinner next Tuesday?" Doesn't seem that probable, does it? If you want "them" to see things from "your" point of view, don't go out and hit them first! It isn't exactly rocket science, is it? 2.........Well you LLLLB started it in June 2016 ;-) ...........Have you not in the past pointed out how wonderful parts of multi cultural London are (?) ......... 3.........Its funny but when I was a kid I got called names.....I also got beaten up 8-) ........... Cant say its left me with a chip on my shoulder like it has the BAME community *-) ......... Although nowadays it appears blaming middle aged Honkies for everything is perfectly acceptable :-S ....... 4..........When the Romans invaded they foisted their culture on us too ;-) .......... 2 Really? Multicultural nirvana? Where? Parts of London "wonderful"? I don't think I have ever said that. 3 But why did that happen to you? Because of the colour of your skin, or for other reasons? No chips on your shoulders? You ave multiple chips, on both shoulders! :-) Germany, London, education, people with degrees, teachers, the EU, "big business" anything "left wing", people with new campers, so some things seem to have left scars on you. And yet you can't understand why people who came here to work, because they were invited to, and then find themselves physically attacked and even killed, called names, deliberately disadvantaged, and presumed inferior, even before they've opened their mouths, pretty much from the day they were born, acquire chips on their shoulders? 4 You can't see a difference between an invader, and people who comes to a country work, at our invitation? Really? What bits of Roman culture do you find unacceptable? But where do you think "our" culture came from, if not from all those people who have settled the islands over the past 2,500 years or so? The first written records of Britain were by a Greek (Pytheas, from Massalia, modern day Marseilles), 400 years before the Romans came. The then indigenous descendants of the pre-historic stone, bronze, and iron, age peoples (all themselves immigrants) had also come from mainland Europe. They were followed by Celts, and after the Romans (who were far from Roman) the Germanic Anglo-Saxons (who were not welcomed! :-) from what is today central and northern Germany and Denmark), then Vikings (from Denmark and Scandinavia), then Normans (who were part Viking, part Frankish, and part French) then Flemings (mostly Germanic), then Huguenots (French), then Indians, Irish, more Indians, various Africans, Germans, Russian Jews - and that lot only gets us to the end of WW2! All those, to make "our culture". If we dig back far enough, we are all migrants or invaders who have settled and added to and changed what has become our culture. It has always been changing. It can't be put in aspic at a single point in time. The changes have always caused grumbles, disruptions, quarrels, and conflicts. In our own interests we have to find solutions that are acceptable to both the newcomers and the established populations. We all have to bend a bit. You say you were born in the east end of London, which probably makes your own ancestry interesting, as the east end has been an ethnic melting pot for hundreds of years, because of the Thames and its docks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:48 AM ………………………. Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 8-) ........ Perhaps I should sue him? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-28 12:01 PM When kids are living in slum accommodation, shared rooms, nowhere to study, surrounded by noise, drugs and gangs, can't afford their own PC etc, do they have the same opportunities *-) No of course not - so what's your solution? Please don't say that all you need to do is give them a steady income and nice middle class home in a nice area, next door to nice socialist people like Brian and his family, then they be perfectly OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day. So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 StuartO - 2020-07-28 6:38 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day. So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian? Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. :-D Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 7:06 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 6:40 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 6:06 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter? Like I said previously it was a long shot, a very long shot ... The only racial intolerance I see on here is from those who defend the very raciiiiist Labour Party ... Total waste of time as always asking for even the slightest bit of evidence to back up yet another Hollywood claim ... Go Girlfriend Total waste of time ... Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 StuartO - 2020-07-28 6:30 PM John52 - 2020-07-28 12:01 PM When kids are living in slum accommodation, shared rooms, nowhere to study, surrounded by noise, drugs and gangs, can't afford their own PC etc, do they have the same opportunities *-) No of course not - so what's your solution? . The 'levelling up' BoJo promised before the election *-) But instead of looking into Her Majesty's Tax havens to make Tory Supporting £billionaires pay tax, or inheritance tax, is raising yet another stealth tax on the poor. >:-) to pay for the £900k paint job on his plane, and £billions dished out to his chums ... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/15/coronavirus-contracts-government-transparency-pandemic >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-07-28 7:46 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 7:06 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 6:40 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 6:06 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter? Like I said previously it was a long shot, a very long shot ... The only racial intolerance I see on here is from those who defend the very raciiiiist Labour Party ... Total waste of time as always asking for even the slightest bit of evidence to back up yet another Hollywood claim ... Go Girlfriend Total waste of time ... Again You had my answer. You're just too blinkered to understand it. Can't help that, can I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-29 6:14 AM Birdbrain - 2020-07-28 7:46 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 7:06 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 6:40 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 6:06 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter? Like I said previously it was a long shot, a very long shot ... The only racial intolerance I see on here is from those who defend the very raciiiiist Labour Party ... Total waste of time as always asking for even the slightest bit of evidence to back up yet another Hollywood claim ... Go Girlfriend Total waste of time ... Again You had my answer. You're just too blinkered to understand it. Can't help that, can I? Seems I am the only one that ever backs up my claims ... You and Veronica asked for proof you both suggested I was an extremist so I should you ... Respected member Bullet asked me to show where he had called me the very homophobic Pansy Boy after he'd denied saying it and called me a liar, so I should him ... Hey-ho goes with the territory on here I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 6:57 PM StuartO - 2020-07-28 6:38 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day. So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian? Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. :-D Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit. :-D The fact that you reject the label of Champagne Socialist doesn't mean that it doesn't fit. You don't have to actually drink Champagne to qualify, just enjoy a middle class lifestyle untouched by the hard realities of exposure to multicuturalism but at the same time want to at least pretend that all men are equal, or jolly well should be. I had you down as a Liberal; you know the Party formed when the Liberals merged with the Social Democrats; stereotypically someone who would have all sorts of objections to all sorts of practical and pragmatic political solutions on grounds of principles based on equity and at the same time all sorts of demands for endless new opportunities for people who have failed and/or offended multiple times because everyone deserves yet another chance because they are good people if you really do support them properly. And Green of course, although you drive a diesel MH which is far from Green for which you make rational excuses, and Anti-Nuclear, both for deterent weapons and for power generation. Liberalism is socialism for people who don't want to pretend to be part of the working class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 StuartO - 2020-07-29 12:11 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 6:57 PM StuartO - 2020-07-28 6:38 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day. So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian? Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. :-D Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit. :-D The fact that you reject the label of Champagne Socialist doesn't mean that it doesn't fit. You don't have to actually drink Champagne to qualify, just enjoy a middle class lifestyle untouched by the hard realities of exposure to multicuturalism but at the same time want to at least pretend that all men are equal, or jolly well should be. I had you down as a Liberal; you know the Party formed when the Liberals merged with the Social Democrats; stereotypically someone who would have all sorts of objections to all sorts of practical and pragmatic political solutions on grounds of principles based on equity and at the same time all sorts of demands for endless new opportunities for people who have failed and/or offended multiple times because everyone deserves yet another chance because they are good people if you really do support them properly. And Green of course, although you drive a diesel MH which is far from Green for which you make rational excuses, and Anti-Nuclear, both for deterent weapons and for power generation. Liberalism is socialism for people who don't want to pretend to be part of the working class. Classic! Very, very, funny. Do you charge for entry to this strange world you inhabit, where everyone else is a grotesque chimeric creation of your imagination, and nothing is real? I don't think I've ever read such an extraordinary stream of baseless nonsense. It's like being in the hall of funny mirrors. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-28 12:01 PM When kids are living in slum accommodation, shared rooms, nowhere to study, surrounded by noise, drugs and gangs, can't afford their own PC etc, do they have the same opportunities *-) You mean kids like me who spent most of my childhood living in a 2 bed rented with my parents and 3 siblings? ;-) .......... I was also what they call nowadays a carer to my younger siblings :D ......... I woz a victim......and I never knew it 8-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-29 7:37 PM StuartO - 2020-07-29 12:11 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 6:57 PM StuartO - 2020-07-28 6:38 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day. So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian? Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. :-D Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit. :-D The fact that you reject the label of Champagne Socialist doesn't mean that it doesn't fit. You don't have to actually drink Champagne to qualify, just enjoy a middle class lifestyle untouched by the hard realities of exposure to multicuturalism but at the same time want to at least pretend that all men are equal, or jolly well should be. I had you down as a Liberal; you know the Party formed when the Liberals merged with the Social Democrats; stereotypically someone who would have all sorts of objections to all sorts of practical and pragmatic political solutions on grounds of principles based on equity and at the same time all sorts of demands for endless new opportunities for people who have failed and/or offended multiple times because everyone deserves yet another chance because they are good people if you really do support them properly. And Green of course, although you drive a diesel MH which is far from Green for which you make rational excuses, and Anti-Nuclear, both for deterent weapons and for power generation. Liberalism is socialism for people who don't want to pretend to be part of the working class. Classic! Very, very, funny. Do you charge for entry to this strange world you inhabit, where everyone else is a grotesque chimeric creation of your imagination, and nothing is real? I don't think I've ever read such an extraordinary stream of baseless nonsense. It's like being in the hall of funny mirrors. :-D You obviously don't recognise your own reflection Brian >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 5:40 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:48 AM ………………………. Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 8-) ........ Perhaps I should sue him? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue! :-D I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:46 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 5:40 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:48 AM ………………………. Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 8-) ........ Perhaps I should sue him? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue! :-D I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher :D ......... Touché! :-D Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-30 7:23 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:46 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 5:40 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:48 AM ………………………. Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 8-) ........ Perhaps I should sue him? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue! :-D I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher :D ......... Touché! :-D Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit! No need ;-) ...... They don't have any specs that can protect you from a smart ar*e :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-30 7:23 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:46 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 5:40 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:48 AM ………………………. Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 8-) ........ Perhaps I should sue him? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue! :-D I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher :D ......... Touché! :-D Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit! Pelmet needs spelling lessons, not glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:44 AM ..............................You obviously don't recognise your own reflection Brian >:-) .......... I do, but it wasn't my reflection, it was someone else's imaginary reflection. Very creepy! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-31 3:21 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:44 AM ..............................You obviously don't recognise your own reflection Brian >:-) .......... I do, but it wasn't my reflection, it was someone else's imaginary reflection. Very creepy! :-D But you are being remarkably reluctant to acknowledge which bits of the Liberal stereotype fit the bill Brian - and you do seem to have been a lifelong Liberal supporter in general elections, which means that some of it, at least, must be valid. Why be shy about the Liberal policies you felt at the time were worth supporting? And did you support the Conservative/Liberal Coalition, which gave the Liberal politicians of the time their once in a lifetime taste of power, even though they had to renege on their firm election mandate commitment on student loans as part of the deal? I was talking to a cousin who lives near Blackburn yesterday. It seems the penny has been dropping at last among the asian commuity in Blackburn that they have been killing themselves (or rather their older relatives) by ignoring the Lockdown Rules, for example 250 people gathering for a muslim funeral, as normal, and free-flowing mixing among and between asian households, again as normal for them. Their leaders are now expressing contrition and expressing determination to do better but it remains to be seen whether that acually happens; they've rather got used to being free to do their own community thing, immune from interference by the police and regardless of what UK law says. In Leicester it's been the asians running these Rag Trade seat shops without interuption during Lockdown as well. Do you support their cultural freedom to do that sort of thing Brian, as long as they only kill their own relatives and slave labour in the process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-07-31 1:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-30 7:23 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:46 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 5:40 PM pelmetman - 2020-07-28 11:48 AM ………………………. Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 8-) ........ Perhaps I should sue him? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue! :-D I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher :D ......... Touché! :-D Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit! Pelmet needs spelling lessons, not glasses. I have an excuse......... coz I ain't been edjermercated :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? *-) ......... No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:44 AM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? *-) ......... No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige ;-) He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then? There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules. The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 11:00 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:44 AM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? *-) ......... No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige ;-) He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then? There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules. The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin.. Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry *-) .......... The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ;-) ........ Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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