Brian Kirby Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-12-10 9:15 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-12-09 12:35 PM pelmetman - 2020-12-08 7:06 PM................................... 1......Have COVID19 innoculations not started in the UK? ;-) ....... 2.......Has the EMA approved their vacine? :D ....... 3.......Have any EU countries started vaccinating yet? >:-) ........ The answers are....... 1........Yes..... 2.........Nope...... 3.........Nope..... Dimwitted Dope (lol) (lol) (lol) Pure chop logic! It goes like this. All post boxes are red, so all red objects are post boxes. :-D 1 Each country is entitled under EU law to approve vaccines for use within its own territory. What they can't do is sell the vaccine for use throughout the EU until the EMEA has approved them. That is what the UK has done. 2 No, so only those countries which have individually approved vaccines for use within their own territories can roll out vaccines to their populations. 3 Since no other countries have yet individually approved vaccines for use within their own territory, and since the EMEA has not yet completed its own safety checks, no other country presently has an approved vaccine to dispense, has it? Unsurprising isn't it? But, it has nothing whatever to do with Brexit, only with an EU derogation that the UK was able to cite while still being subject to EU regulations applicable within the transition period. Simples! Goddit? :-D You're still unquestioningly sucking up the Brexit mob fairy tales. 1...........Have any other EU countries done so?...........No ;-) ........ 2...........So why haven't the individual countries approved the VACCINE (?) ........ 3...........How many people will die because of EU red tape/incompetence? 8-) ......... The EU's response to the VIRUS is a perfect example of why we are so lucky to have "Taken Back Control" B-) ............. 1 Correct, at present. So? 2 You'd have to ask them. Possibly some are working on it but have not yet concluded, possibly some don't have the competence, possibly some have decided to rely on the EMEA rather the running their own approval investigation. 3 What red "tape and incompetence"? No, it is not, because we were always free to approve the vaccine for use only in this country. That has been confirmed several times, including by our Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, What more do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-12-08 7:06 PM 1......Have COVID19 innoculations not started in the UK? ;-) ....... The answers are....... 1........Yes..... You are saying " Yes " to " they have NOT started " I disagree - they HAVE started in the U.K. - I've seen 'em on the telly Just sayin' :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brugge Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Oven ready deal a year ago, ups EU got nasty and turned the oven off, all their fault, How nasty can EU be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 malc d - 2020-12-10 3:43 PM pelmetman - 2020-12-08 7:06 PM 1......Have COVID19 innoculations not started in the UK? ;-) ....... The answers are....... 1........Yes..... You are saying " Yes " to " they have NOT started " I disagree - they HAVE started in the U.K. - I've seen 'em on the telly Just sayin' :-| Pelmet is always confused and still wants to believe it was "because of Brexit". A professional medical person who knows what she's talking about, disagrees with him. (lol) UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency CEO Dr June Raine said, “We’ve been able to authorise supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until January 1st.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 malc d - 2020-12-10 3:43 PM pelmetman - 2020-12-08 7:06 PM 1......Have COVID19 innoculations not started in the UK? ;-) ....... The answers are....... 1........Yes..... You are saying " Yes " to " they have NOT started " I disagree - they HAVE started in the U.K. - I've seen 'em on the telly Just sayin' :-| Really?..............Semantics Malc *-) ........ At least at your advanced age you will prolly get your jab before the EU have finished arguing :D ........ There's no need to thank us Brexiteers for making it so B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-12-10 6:20 PM malc d - 2020-12-10 3:43 PM pelmetman - 2020-12-08 7:06 PM 1......Have COVID19 innoculations not started in the UK? ;-) ....... The answers are....... 1........Yes..... You are saying " Yes " to " they have NOT started " I disagree - they HAVE started in the U.K. - I've seen 'em on the telly Just sayin' :-| Really?..............Semantics Malc *-) ........ At least at your advanced age you will prolly get your jab before the EU have finished arguing :D ........ There's no need to thank us Brexiteers for making it so B-) ........ For once you are totally correct, there is no need because you didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I see the EU's showing its NASTY side again 8-) ........... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187425/Vaccine-battle-EU-threatens-BLOCK-Pfizer-jabs-going-UK.html It's just as well we have our own jab which is cheaper and easier to use B-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-01-26 9:53 AM I see the EU's showing its NASTY side again 8-) ........... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187425/Vaccine-battle-EU-threatens-BLOCK-Pfizer-jabs-going-UK.html It's just as well we have our own jab which is cheaper and easier to use B-) .......... In other news, EU holds company accountable to the contract it has signed. One of the reasons Pfizer is trying to wriggle out of its commitments to the EU is because the UK and USA paid A LOT more than the EU did for the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-01-26 9:53 AM It's just as well we have our own jab which is cheaper and easier to use B-) .......... So is Aspirin *-) and why is it 'nasty' for the EU to keep its own vaccine for its own citizens (now they have tested it on us)? What would you be saying if we had the Turkish Muslim immigrants here to produce the most effective vaccine for us, and were sending that to the EU, whilst importing their less effective one *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-26 10:42 AM the UK and USA paid A LOT more than the EU did for the vaccine. yes - remarkable how secretive BoJo is about how much of our money he has paid for stuff. >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I am sure I heard that the UK paid more for the vaccine to help cover World wide distribution costs, and the EU decided not to. Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 thebishbus - 2021-01-27 8:17 AM I am sure I heard that the UK paid more for the vaccine to help cover World wide distribution costs, and the EU decided not to. Brian B. EU is donating to COVAX to ensure world wide distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 We also ordered it 3 months before the EU did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-26 10:42 AM pelmetman - 2021-01-26 9:53 AM I see the EU's showing its NASTY side again 8-) ........... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187425/Vaccine-battle-EU-threatens-BLOCK-Pfizer-jabs-going-UK.html It's just as well we have our own jab which is cheaper and easier to use B-) .......... In other news, EU holds company accountable to the contract it has signed. One of the reasons Pfizer is trying to wriggle out of its commitments to the EU is because the UK and USA paid A LOT more than the EU did for the vaccine. Its become clear that the EU's penny pinching over the contract is the reason for them being at the back of the queue ;-) ............ Who's fault is that? ..............THE EU >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Perhaps it also depends on how quickly you want to vaccinate your people. Israel paid twice the price to be able to jump the queue. Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Cooperation, not Doris's petty nationalism https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-27/sanofi-to-make-millions-of-biontech-pfizer-s-covid-vaccine-doses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 thebishbus - 2021-01-27 11:55 AM Perhaps it also depends on how quickly you want to vaccinate your people. Israel paid twice the price to be able to jump the queue. Brian B. The speed of vaccination also depends on how it is done. There are countries that have adopted some vaccines before the manufacturers have provided all the documentation necessary for approval and countries that have preferred to act in a hurry. There are countries that respect the indications of the manufacturers that prescribe a certain number of weeks between the first and second inoculation and countries that multiply it by a factor of even four. Which ones make you more confident ? Any reference to any non-EU country is purely coincidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-01-27 9:15 AM ..................................Its become clear that the EU's penny pinching over the contract is the reason for them being at the back of the queue ;-) ............ Who's fault is that? ..............THE EU >:-) .......... The EMA exists to use its buying power to negotiate deals on behalf of the member states, to prevent a bidding free for all among the states, and to ensure that approved products are safe to use in, and available in, all member states. It works through committees of the 27 member states and is therefore bureaucratic. Consequently, they were slow to order, and slow to approve, Covid vaccines. As the urgency of developing a vaccine against Covid has proved, that is its Achilles' heel. However, it is nevertheless credited with working faster than the American FDA. This is embarrassing for the member states individual medical authorities - especially as the UK, by using the permitted parallel route to national approval, and by working through parallel approval paths, has approved and ordered the vaccines faster, which is why the row has blown up. People are dying while the EMA debates. That is no great cause for jubilation, I think. 8-) In parallel with the EMA any state with competence could have done what the UK did, using the same provisions the UK used (while still subject to EU regulation) to do so. They did not. Their decisions: that is why they are embarrassed. If you want to know why, you have to ask the individual states. Good luck with that! :-D The EMA was originally sited in Canary Wharf, London, in 1995. Following the Brexit vote, it is now in Amsterdam. What impact that move has had on its speed of response is unclear - at least to me. That seems the only area where Brexit may have had a role. This is from the EMA website: "While the majority of new, innovative medicines are evaluated by EMA and authorised by the European Commission in order to be marketed in the EU, most generic medicines and medicines available without a prescription are assessed and authorised at national level in the EU. In addition, many older medicines available today were authorised at national level because they were marketed before EMA was created. Most Member States maintain National registers of authorised medicines. Each EU Member State has its own national authorisation procedures. Information about these can normally be found on the websites of the national competent authorities: National competent authorities (human) National competent authorities (veterinary) If a company wishes to request marketing authorisation in several EU Member States for a medicine that is outside the scope of the centralised procedure, it may use one of the following routes: mutual-recognition procedure, whereby a marketing authorisation granted in one Member State can be recognised in other EU countries; decentralised procedure, whereby a medicine that has not yet been authorised in the EU can be simultaneously authorised in several EU Member States. You really had not the faintest what you voted for, why, or what benefits might follow. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 mtravel - 2021-01-27 11:56 AM thebishbus - 2021-01-27 11:55 AM Perhaps it also depends on how quickly you want to vaccinate your people. Israel paid twice the price to be able to jump the queue. Brian B. The speed of vaccination also depends on how it is done. There are countries that have adopted some vaccines before the manufacturers have provided all the documentation necessary for approval and countries that have preferred to act in a hurry. There are countries that respect the indications of the manufacturers that prescribe a certain number of weeks between the first and second inoculation and countries that multiply it by a factor of even four. Which ones make you more confident ? Any reference to any non-EU country is purely coincidental. We ordered the vaccine 3 months before the EU . Its the EU now panicking because they will not get preferential treatment or the amount of vaccine they require. The UK has far outstripped almost every other nation in vaccinating its population. Which one would you rather rather be with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 John52 - 2021-01-26 10:49 AM pelmetman - 2021-01-26 9:53 AM It's just as well we have our own jab which is cheaper and easier to use B-) .......... So is Aspirin *-) and why is it 'nasty' for the EU to keep its own vaccine for its own citizens (now they have tested it on us)? What would you be saying if we had the Turkish Muslim immigrants here to produce the most effective vaccine for us, and were sending that to the EU, whilst importing their less effective one *-) Its not a EU vaccine. Its a Anglo-Swedish company manufacturing in various places around the world,with one being in Belgium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-27 3:03 PM Which one would you rather rather be with ? EU of course. At least I'm sure that, maybe with some delay but everything is well managed. And not by the populism of some local leaders who have to justify himself in front of their people. Have you seen the English and European orders or it's just to blah, blah, blah ? And don't forget that the famous Oxford vaccine comes from a partially British multinational with factories outside the UK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-27 8:44 AM thebishbus - 2021-01-27 8:17 AM I am sure I heard that the UK paid more for the vaccine to help cover World wide distribution costs, and the EU decided not to. Brian B. EU is donating to COVAX to ensure world wide distribution. Daily Mail: Britain offers to use its genomics expertise to police the world for dangerous Covid mutations. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187189/Britain-offers-use-genomics-expertise-police-world-dangerous-Covid-mutations.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-27 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2021-01-27 9:15 AM ..................................Its become clear that the EU's penny pinching over the contract is the reason for them being at the back of the queue ;-) ............ Who's fault is that? ..............THE EU >:-) .......... The EMA exists to use its buying power to negotiate deals on behalf of the member states, to prevent a bidding free for all among the states, and to ensure that approved products are safe to use in, and available in, all member states. It works through committees of the 27 member states and is therefore bureaucratic. Consequently, they were slow to order, and slow to approve, Covid vaccines. As the urgency of developing a vaccine against Covid has proved, that is its Achilles' heel. However, it is nevertheless credited with working faster than the American FDA. This is embarrassing for the member states individual medical authorities - especially as the UK, by using the permitted parallel route to national approval, and by working through parallel approval paths, has approved and ordered the vaccines faster, which is why the row has blown up. People are dying while the EMA debates. That is no great cause for jubilation, I think. 8-) In parallel with the EMA any state with competence could have done what the UK did, using the same provisions the UK used (while still subject to EU regulation) to do so. They did not. Their decisions: that is why they are embarrassed. If you want to know why, you have to ask the individual states. Good luck with that! :-D The EMA was originally sited in Canary Wharf, London, in 1995. Following the Brexit vote, it is now in Amsterdam. What impact that move has had on its speed of response is unclear - at least to me. That seems the only area where Brexit may have had a role. This is from the EMA website: "While the majority of new, innovative medicines are evaluated by EMA and authorised by the European Commission in order to be marketed in the EU, most generic medicines and medicines available without a prescription are assessed and authorised at national level in the EU. In addition, many older medicines available today were authorised at national level because they were marketed before EMA was created. Most Member States maintain National registers of authorised medicines. Each EU Member State has its own national authorisation procedures. Information about these can normally be found on the websites of the national competent authorities: National competent authorities (human) National competent authorities (veterinary) If a company wishes to request marketing authorisation in several EU Member States for a medicine that is outside the scope of the centralised procedure, it may use one of the following routes: mutual-recognition procedure, whereby a marketing authorisation granted in one Member State can be recognised in other EU countries; decentralised procedure, whereby a medicine that has not yet been authorised in the EU can be simultaneously authorised in several EU Member States. You really had not the faintest what you voted for, why, or what benefits might follow. :-S What Blah Blah Brian is trying to say is ;-) ......... The EU F*cked Up and Boris didn't (lol) (lol) (lol) ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 mtravel - 2021-01-27 2:23 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-27 3:03 PM Which one would you rather rather be with ? EU of course. At least I'm sure that, maybe with some delay but everything is well managed. And not by the populism of some local leaders who have to justify himself in front of their people. Have you seen the English and European orders or it's just to blah, blah, blah ? And don't forget that the famous Oxford vaccine comes from a partially British multinational with factories outside the UK... Sounds like you are all blah,blah,blah....EU don't seem to be particularly well managed about anything. There is a clue in the word.....multinational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-27 4:59 PM ... Sounds like you are all blah,blah,blah....EU don't seem to be particularly well managed about anything .... Happy you, happy me. We will talk about everything in a few years. I remember when at the beginning of the pandemic you made malicious and patronizing comparisons with my country. Now you see your results ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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