Guest pelmetman Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 5:29 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-25 9:34 PM Fast Pat - 2019-08-25 8:28 PM And how do you suggest you stop all these migrants flooding across the ROI / NI border or do you think that passport control should be between NI and the mainland? Are you going to tag the locals? Migrants?..........are you really suggesting migrants are going to paddle all the way to Ireland to sneak into the UK???? (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... As for the locals ;-) ........The EU already has a system in place for those who have a border with non EU countries >:-) ........... "A Local Border Traffic Regime Search for available translations of the preceding linkEN••• has been established for border residents who frequently need to cross the external borders of the Union. It enables EU States to conclude bilateral agreements with their neighbouring non-EU countries so that the border residents can travel back and forth without a Schengen visa and, therefore, without any impediment to trade, social and cultural interchange in the region concerned." https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/border-crossing_en More unicorns! :-D You've mentioned this scheme before, but you've forgotten that in response I drew your attention to the EU website where it clearly showed a border guard, outside a border post, inspecting the ID of a person using that scheme. See, border guard, border post, and inspect ID. How else could anyone know who was wanting to cross the border, and whether they were eligible? That is all it would take to light the fuse. Blimey, this don't 'arf get 'ard sometimes. Little grey cells? There's no need to worry your pretty little head Brian ;-) ........as after the NI referendum that'll be Dublin's problem >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-26 3:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-26 2:28 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-26 2:09 PM So we let NI have a referendum ;-) ......... Then the buck stops with them >:-) ......... Problem sorted.....NEXT? :D ......... Really? What would the referendum outcome have to be to achieve that? What ever the majority chose ;-) ..........and after they've had a referendum then us English can have one on whether "we" want to be part of the Union >:-) .......... "Whatever the majority chose" isn't an outcome. I assume you're talking (again :-)), about that canard of a vote to re-unify Ireland. So, if NI votes to re-unify with the rest of Ireland, problem solved. That is one possible outcome. But, if they vote against re-unification, what then?? The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (yawn, we've done all this before, but you seem unable to remember) can implement a reunification referendum under the Belfast Agreement, but only when it seems that there is a majority in favour. Specifically "if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland." That caveat is there so that there is no referendum before the outcome is pretty much a foregone conclusion - for reasons that should be obvious. Polls currently indicate that the majority favours the Union. That may change with time, but in the meantime??? Little grey cells? I'm astonished that an ex-sailor should put so much faith in a passing straw when drowning. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 5:50 PM The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland can implement a reunification referendum under the Belfast Agreement, but only when it seems that there is a majority in favour. Looks to me like you've answered your own question Brian ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-08-26 7:30 PM Brian there is already a white paper that proposes our relationship with the Eu, which allows for free movement of Eu citizens except if the want to work then they need a work permit.. Illigal immigration is a different problem but no less illegal in the Eu (except France doesn’t give much of a toot about it ,see all the different nationals at Calais)However it’s not to easy to pop over to Ireland in a rubber dinghy. As far as trade is concerned there are various methods out there without having a hard boarder. Some illigal immigration will take place,it does now. Once there is a trade deal it’s all in the past. There is already an agreement between Britain and the EU that covers free movement and working rights, that successive British governments have disregarded to allow in far more migrants than any other EU state. The white paper draws on that and adds a few "protections" that, AFAIK, merely re-state the restrictions already in the agreements. The decision on which restrictions will actually be applied, and to whom, will be in the hands of the British government of the day, whose track record on restricting immigration to date has not been encouraging. So, good luck with that! :-) The migrants at Calais are not from the EU, but largely from Africa and the Middle east. By the time they have reached France they have already entered the EU (Italy, Greece or Spain) as asylum seekers or refugees. As such, large numbers are not illegals. Others are illegals, but because of the EU's open borders (Schengen), once into the EU, they can travel pretty much where they choose, as can the refugees and asylum seekers. Neither Italy, Greece, or Spain particularly want them, so the incentive to house and settle them is low, and none of the other EU states wants to pay for their upkeep, so no-one "sees" them until they arrive at the border of a state that doesn't want them. This is one of the great shortcomings of Schengen, but Schengen was not drawn up when streams of migrants were trying to escape places such as Syria - to name but one. However, not being EU citizens, they have no rights of entry to UK under EU law. The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales. It is presently possible, once into Ireland, to cross the open border into NI. Since most at Calais seem to try to cross by smuggling themselves onto trucks etc, the challenge in getting into Ireland is more linked, I'd suggest, to the duration of the crossing than to a perception of difficulty. The main reason migrants don't target Cherbourg and Roscoff seems to be that it considerably extends their migration route to the west. But, if Britain were to leave the EU, entry conditions at Dover would presumably worsen from their points of view, so who is to say where they may try next? If Ireland begins to look easier, expect the NI border to become a point of contention. For trade I agree, but what about the almost inevitable issue of cross-border smuggling? It only needs a change in the VAT rate, or some restriction on various kinds of agricultural produce to create a "pull" factor one side or the other. When that happens, as it almost certainly would - or what would be the point of all this trumpeting about Sovereignty, about the British parliament making British laws, about Britain freeing itself of the yoke of the EU - goods etc will begin to flow, and when that happens there will be yelps from bona fide businesses on whichever side that the illegal trade must be stopped? And then??? A trade deal will deal with genuine trade, not ad-hoc freelance passage of goods. Trade is not the likely problem. The likely problem will be border-running and people smuggling. That, ultimately, is the risk for the Belfast agreement, and that moves to control that will lead to the necessity to control the border, with its knock-on impact on the present uneasy peace with the republican militias. You may think it is worth taking that risk, but in the light of the small intangible gains, and the list of economic disbenefits, from leaving, I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM jumpstart - 2019-08-26 7:30 PM Brian there is already a white paper that proposes our relationship with the Eu, which allows for free movement of Eu citizens except if the want to work then they need a work permit.. Illigal immigration is a different problem but no less illegal in the Eu (except France doesn’t give much of a toot about it ,see all the different nationals at Calais)However it’s not to easy to pop over to Ireland in a rubber dinghy. As far as trade is concerned there are various methods out there without having a hard boarder. Some illigal immigration will take place,it does now. Once there is a trade deal it’s all in the past. There is already an agreement between Britain and the EU that covers free movement and working rights, that successive British governments have disregarded to allow in far more migrants than any other EU state. The white paper draws on that and adds a few "protections" that, AFAIK, merely re-state the restrictions already in the agreements. The decision on which restrictions will actually be applied, and to whom, will be in the hands of the British government of the day, whose track record on restricting immigration to date has not been encouraging. So, good luck with that! :-) . It's not been encouraging because we are part of the EU *-) ......... I've lost count of the number of times the ECJ has overturned the decisions of the Home Office or our courts >:-( ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Anyone who does that deserves a medal...........and locking up in a institution for the dangerously insane >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Good points Brian, bear in mind Ireland is not part of Schengen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... I'm a little confused Pelmethead? First celebrating the economic collapse of the pound, then of British manufacturing and now the break up of the united kingdom, celebrating the reunification of Ireland and an independent Scotland? Oh I get it you really are the personification of a little Englander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... I'm a little confused Pelmethead? First celebrating the economic collapse of the pound, then of British manufacturing and now the break up of the united kingdom, celebrating the reunification of Ireland and an independent Scotland? Oh I get it you really are the personification of a little Englander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Who cares how many ferries it takes to reach your intended destination? If an illegal migrant that's the least of your problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-08-28 12:47 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Who cares how many ferries it takes to reach your intended destination? If an illegal migrant that's the least of your problems. Except their intended destination will in 65 days no longer be part of the EU or ruled by the ECJ B-) ......... So evicting the illegals should become much easier ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-08-28 10:00 AM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... I'm a little confused Pelmethead? First celebrating the economic collapse of the pound, then of British manufacturing and now the break up of the united kingdom, celebrating the reunification of Ireland and an independent Scotland? Oh I get it you really are the personification of a little Englander. You Paddy's never did like us Englander's did you? ;-) ......... Not that it ever stopped you sticking your snout in our trough *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-28 3:09 PM Bulletguy - 2019-08-28 12:47 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Who cares how many ferries it takes to reach your intended destination? If an illegal migrant that's the least of your problems. Except their intended destination will in 65 days no longer be part of the EU or ruled by the ECJ B-) ......... So evicting the illegals should become much easier ;-) ........... Will it? Doesnt being in the EU mean we are part of the Dublin regulation which means we can return illegals to the country they came from if we dont want them? Cant see the EU countries playing ball now can you? Also our borders will be in chaos, no access to security or immigration databases and an open border in NI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 So why aren’t Italy,Spain,Greece ,Malta doing just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-08-28 6:09 PM So why aren’t Italy,Spain,Greece ,Malta doing just that. Probably because they are the first country the migrants land in. If your in the EU your part of the Dublin regulation so you can return a migrant to the first country they landed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:13 AM jumpstart - 2019-08-28 6:09 PM So why aren’t Italy,Spain,Greece ,Malta doing just that. Probably because they are the first country the migrants land in. If your in the EU your part of the Dublin regulation so you can return a migrant to the first country they landed in. Hows that working? *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:32 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 3:09 PM Bulletguy - 2019-08-28 12:47 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Who cares how many ferries it takes to reach your intended destination? If an illegal migrant that's the least of your problems. Except their intended destination will in 65 days no longer be part of the EU or ruled by the ECJ B-) ......... So evicting the illegals should become much easier ;-) ........... Will it? Doesnt being in the EU mean we are part of the Dublin regulation which means we can return illegals to the country they came from if we dont want them? Cant see the EU countries playing ball now can you? Also our borders will be in chaos, no access to security or immigration databases and an open border in NI. More hogwash *-) ............The Dublin regulation has proved to be unfit for purpose :-| ......... Once we are a independent Sovereign Nation we'll be able to take back control of our migrant rules ;-) ........ So once we have left the EU you soppy liberal lefties will have another bandwagon to hitch your hypocrisy to >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-29 8:22 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:32 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 3:09 PM Bulletguy - 2019-08-28 12:47 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Who cares how many ferries it takes to reach your intended destination? If an illegal migrant that's the least of your problems. Except their intended destination will in 65 days no longer be part of the EU or ruled by the ECJ B-) ......... So evicting the illegals should become much easier ;-) ........... Will it? Doesnt being in the EU mean we are part of the Dublin regulation which means we can return illegals to the country they came from if we dont want them? Cant see the EU countries playing ball now can you? Also our borders will be in chaos, no access to security or immigration databases and an open border in NI. More hogwash *-) ............The Dublin regulation has proved to be unfit for purpose :-| ......... Once we are a independent Sovereign Nation we'll be able to take back control of our migrant rules ;-) ........ So once we have left the EU you soppy liberal lefties will have another bandwagon to hitch your hypocrisy to >:-) .......... Actually we send back more Asylum seekers than most EU countries. Its like groundhog day discussing this with you though. As far as I am aware we wont be abandoning the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the United Nations which states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution." I do believe we are signed up to that and its nothing to do with the EU. The Le Touquet agreement is though. How long before the French tell us to Fcuk right off with that one then? Dover is going to be a bit "busy" I reckon. If those UK borders on French soil get kicked into touch, how hard will the French try to stop migrants crossing into the UK? You wont be able to just send them back either as we no longer have the Dublin regulation as a third country and international Asylum law dictates we must process them. Then of course if they can get to Ireland supposedly there wont be a hard border. They can just walk into the UK. Your "Fortress Britain" you so much desire (which is odd as you want to live in Spain) is going to be full of holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:13 AM jumpstart - 2019-08-28 6:09 PM So why aren’t Italy,Spain,Greece ,Malta doing just that. Probably because they are the first country the migrants land in. If your in the EU your part of the Dublin regulation so you can return a migrant to the first country they landed in. Therefore same applies to Ireland. They are not part of Schengan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 9:41 AM pelmetman - 2019-08-29 8:22 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:32 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 3:09 PM Bulletguy - 2019-08-28 12:47 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Who cares how many ferries it takes to reach your intended destination? If an illegal migrant that's the least of your problems. Except their intended destination will in 65 days no longer be part of the EU or ruled by the ECJ B-) ......... So evicting the illegals should become much easier ;-) ........... Will it? Doesnt being in the EU mean we are part of the Dublin regulation which means we can return illegals to the country they came from if we dont want them? Cant see the EU countries playing ball now can you? Also our borders will be in chaos, no access to security or immigration databases and an open border in NI. More hogwash *-) ............The Dublin regulation has proved to be unfit for purpose :-| ......... Once we are a independent Sovereign Nation we'll be able to take back control of our migrant rules ;-) ........ So once we have left the EU you soppy liberal lefties will have another bandwagon to hitch your hypocrisy to >:-) .......... Actually we send back more Asylum seekers than most EU countries. Its like groundhog day discussing this with you though. As far as I am aware we wont be abandoning the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the United Nations which states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution." I do believe we are signed up to that and its nothing to do with the EU. The Le Touquet agreement is though. How long before the French tell us to Fcuk right off with that one then? Dover is going to be a bit "busy" I reckon. If those UK borders on French soil get kicked into touch, how hard will the French try to stop migrants crossing into the UK? You wont be able to just send them back either as we no longer have the Dublin regulation as a third country and international Asylum law dictates we must process them. Then of course if they can get to Ireland supposedly there wont be a hard border. They can just walk into the UK. Your "Fortress Britain" you so much desire (which is odd as you want to live in Spain) is going to be full of holes. Wrong...this is like Groundhog Day....the above is incorrect again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-08-29 10:17 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:13 AM jumpstart - 2019-08-28 6:09 PM So why aren’t Italy,Spain,Greece ,Malta doing just that. Probably because they are the first country the migrants land in. If your in the EU your part of the Dublin regulation so you can return a migrant to the first country they landed in. Therefore same applies to Ireland. They are not part of Schengan. They are part of the EU though, Schengen has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-08-29 10:21 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 9:41 AM pelmetman - 2019-08-29 8:22 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:32 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 3:09 PM Bulletguy - 2019-08-28 12:47 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-28 8:59 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-27 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-08-27 7:01 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-08-27 6:48 PM The nearest point of Britain (the Mull of Kintyre) to Northern Ireland is about 12.5 miles distant. From the coast near Belfast is about the same as from Folkestone to Cap Gris Nez. From a distance point of view making the crossing in a rubber boat from NI to the Scottish coast would therefore seem easier than from Calais, the land is less densely populated, so less chance of being spotted, but suitable sea conditions are undoubtedly less common. So in the Wacky World of Brian :D .......... Migrants are now going to paddle across to Ireland........then sneak through NI so that they can paddle across to Scotland 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Idiot......why didn't you quote the sentence in the paragraph immediately after? Oh yes, silly me, it didn't fit your Mad Hatter narrative. *-) "But, with plentiful ferries, who needs rubber boats? Frequent ferries go from France to Ireland, and from Northern Ireland to the UK - Scotland and Wales." Idiot would be the correct term for anyone who smuggles himself onto two ferries when one would do *-) ......... Especially as they could end up in Scotland :D ........... Which if things go as Sturgeon hopes........ will still be in the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Who cares how many ferries it takes to reach your intended destination? If an illegal migrant that's the least of your problems. Except their intended destination will in 65 days no longer be part of the EU or ruled by the ECJ B-) ......... So evicting the illegals should become much easier ;-) ........... Will it? Doesnt being in the EU mean we are part of the Dublin regulation which means we can return illegals to the country they came from if we dont want them? Cant see the EU countries playing ball now can you? Also our borders will be in chaos, no access to security or immigration databases and an open border in NI. More hogwash *-) ............The Dublin regulation has proved to be unfit for purpose :-| ......... Once we are a independent Sovereign Nation we'll be able to take back control of our migrant rules ;-) ........ So once we have left the EU you soppy liberal lefties will have another bandwagon to hitch your hypocrisy to >:-) .......... Actually we send back more Asylum seekers than most EU countries. Its like groundhog day discussing this with you though. As far as I am aware we wont be abandoning the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the United Nations which states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution." I do believe we are signed up to that and its nothing to do with the EU. The Le Touquet agreement is though. How long before the French tell us to Fcuk right off with that one then? Dover is going to be a bit "busy" I reckon. If those UK borders on French soil get kicked into touch, how hard will the French try to stop migrants crossing into the UK? You wont be able to just send them back either as we no longer have the Dublin regulation as a third country and international Asylum law dictates we must process them. Then of course if they can get to Ireland supposedly there wont be a hard border. They can just walk into the UK. Your "Fortress Britain" you so much desire (which is odd as you want to live in Spain) is going to be full of holes. Wrong...this is like Groundhog Day....the above is incorrect again... No it isnt. Care to expand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Ireland have an opt out same as uk. Eu citizens require a visa to enter Ireland. Uk citizens don’t. People from out side the Eu have to go through immigration, so all this nonsense about people pouring in is just nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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