Birdbrain Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-12-19 4:01 PM Birdbrain - 2019-12-18 7:23 PM...…………………. 1 Well sounded advice from those you want to believe angel ... 2 As for counter facts , how can anyone provide counter facts when we dont even know if we are leaving with or without a deal or the details of any new trade deals ... 3 Unlike you I cant see into the future 1 Want to believe? Hardly, unless you also think I'm a masochist! Where is the economic analysis, in detail, in favour of Brexit? All there is says Brexit will be economically damaging. If Brexit can evidence its case to the same extent, why doesn't it? The conclusion draws itself, doesn't it? No such analysis has been because the conclusions are damning. 2 In exactly the same way as the argument is made against Brexit. By projecting forward from existing economic data, adjusting for the foreseeable impacts of various Brexit scenarios. 3 You're right, I can't see into the future, so I rely on evidence presented by those who cannot see into the future either, but use existing data on the economy to give a pre-view of the most likely outcomes of various Brexit scenarios. None beats remain. It is exactly the same technique as any major business applies to a significant investment. They don't say "we cant see into the future, so we'll just wing it". They ask economists and accountants to advise them whether the investment is likely to pay off, and how risky it looks, and then decide how to proceed. What you are advocating is the equivalent of picking up a gun, holding it to your head, and pulling the trigger - to find out if it is loaded! There are far more intelligent ways to reduce or eliminate risks (or find out if guns are loaded) than "suck it and see". The work has been done, and the evidence is published for all who can, to read. Far from believing the facts I want, I have been persuaded by the analysis as presented, whereas you seem to have rejected all that analysis, not because you have other and better, but simply because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear. Gun, head, trigger, and BANG! Good scheme! I remember the economists and accountants telling us we'd sink if we didn't join the Euro , prolly the same ones you put so much faith in ... You can rejoice today that Parliament is taking back control of Brexit , sumat I presume your happy with ... BANG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-12-20 9:10 AM I remember the economists and accountants telling us ....! Which economists and accountants? I remember some roofers doing a bad job too. But I don't write them all off because some have failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-20 10:46 AM Birdbrain - 2019-12-20 9:10 AM I remember the economists and accountants telling us ....! Which economists and accountants? I remember some roofers doing a bad job too. But I don't write them all off because some have failed. Which roofers ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 "Britain is FINALLY on course to leave the EU on January 31 after MPs vote by 358 to 234 for Boris Johnson’s divorce deal" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812153/Boris-Johnson-accused-binning-compromises-Brexit-Bill-returns-Commons.html HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-20 3:45 PM "Britain is FINALLY on course to leave the EU on January 31 after MPs vote by 358 to 234 for Boris Johnson’s divorce deal - but the PM faces furious backlash for removing protections for refugee children and workers' rights" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812153/Boris-Johnson-accused-binning-compromises-Brexit-Bill-returns-Commons.html HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:-) .......... The headline you posted was incomplete as you'd edited out the part i've put in for you. Are you comfortable with the removal of protection for refugee children and workers rights? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-20 3:45 PM "Britain is FINALLY on course to leave the EU on January 31 after MPs vote by 358 to 234 for Boris Johnson’s divorce deal" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812153/Boris-Johnson-accused-binning-compromises-Brexit-Bill-returns-Commons.html HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:-) .......... What you laughing about All the more of YOUR money going to Scotland to buy our votes, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ............. Its even funnier watching the losers bitch ... Not only have they lost their beloved EU they've now lost their beloved leader ... Losing becomes a habit for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-12-20 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-20 3:45 PM "Britain is FINALLY on course to leave the EU on January 31 after MPs vote by 358 to 234 for Boris Johnson’s divorce deal - but the PM faces furious backlash for removing protections for refugee children and workers' rights" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812153/Boris-Johnson-accused-binning-compromises-Brexit-Bill-returns-Commons.html HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:-) .......... The headline you posted was incomplete as you'd edited out the part i've put in for you. Are you comfortable with the removal of protection for refugee children and workers rights? :-| Oh Im pretty sure he wont give a toss, especially about the first one. Maybe having to buy health insurance down the line might focus a few minds. The Tories wont completely sell it off of course, its just whatever is free will be ten times worse than what it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-12-20 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-20 3:45 PM "Britain is FINALLY on course to leave the EU on January 31 after MPs vote by 358 to 234 for Boris Johnson’s divorce deal - but the PM faces furious backlash for removing protections for refugee children and workers' rights" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812153/Boris-Johnson-accused-binning-compromises-Brexit-Bill-returns-Commons.html HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:-) .......... The headline you posted was incomplete as you'd edited out the part i've put in for you. Are you comfortable with the removal of protection for refugee children and workers rights? :-| Oh Im pretty sure he wont give a toss, especially about the first one. Maybe having to buy health insurance down the line might focus a few minds. The Tories wont completely sell it off of course, its just whatever is free will be ten times worse than what it is now. Feckin forum!!! My post was so good it posted it twice! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-12-20 5:41 PM Bulletguy - 2019-12-20 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-20 3:45 PM "Britain is FINALLY on course to leave the EU on January 31 after MPs vote by 358 to 234 for Boris Johnson’s divorce deal - but the PM faces furious backlash for removing protections for refugee children and workers' rights" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812153/Boris-Johnson-accused-binning-compromises-Brexit-Bill-returns-Commons.html HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >:-) .......... The headline you posted was incomplete as you'd edited out the part i've put in for you. Are you comfortable with the removal of protection for refugee children and workers rights? :-| Oh Im pretty sure he wont give a toss, especially about the first one. Maybe having to buy health insurance down the line might focus a few minds. The Tories wont completely sell it off of course, its just whatever is free will be ten times worse than what it is now. ITV screened a documentary on the NHS the other evening made by John Pilger. If you missed it, it's well worth watching as he visits some states in the US and speaks to a number of citizens about healthcare. Patient dumping is commonly done during late night with some kicked out on the streets just in hospital smocks.....to make way for a more profitable patient. Some US doctors have set up makeshift field hospitals to treat those unable to afford insurance. https://www.itv.com/hub/the-dirty-war-on-the-nhs/2a5959a0001 Tory MP's Oliver Letwin and John Redwood wrote this controversial piece on "radical reform" of the NHS in 1988, "Reform" is just another word for privatisation which MP's are careful to avoid using. https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/111027171245-BritainsBiggestEnterprise1988.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-12-20 9:10 AM..................….I remember the economists and accountants telling us we'd sink if we didn't join the Euro , prolly the same ones you put so much faith in ... You can rejoice today that Parliament is taking back control of Brexit , sumat I presume your happy with ... BANG! I remember there being closely balanced arguments on both sides, as you might expect, so I think your memory has become selective over the years. Here's a Wiki on the UK and the Euro, which is a lot closer to what I remember: http://tinyurl.com/tpzccly See if it jogs your memory. Regarding Brexit no, I'm not pleased, but am resigned to the inevitable. Regarding BANG, I hope your head gets better soon! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Alright for some https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-12-20 6:58 PM Alright for some https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191 That seems to be a common theme among Brexiters, though in Pelmets case he could only afford a £15 quid donation. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-12-20 6:58 PM Alright for some https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191 This from a person who has already organised his Irish passport. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-12-20 6:58 PM Alright for some https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191 Tory party donations from productive industries seem to have all but dried up since 'F*ck Business' BoJo took over. And been replaced by donations from hedge funds in dodgy tax havens that make the Mad Hatter's £15 irrelevant. So we can see whose interests BoJo will serve >:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 when BoJo opened his Gob he crashed the pound and made money for the hedgies (and incidentally me whose money is in $) Not the Gloating Mad Hatter whose money is in pounds or Euros :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I'm dithering and delaying going abroad because I don't know whats going to happen after Jan 31st But at least I have a choice What must it be like for the British Industries still here that depend on just-in-time deliveries from and exports to the EU 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Guffaw..........Looks like our resident scaremongering Corbynista dinosaurs still don't realize they're about to become extinct (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-21 7:36 AM Guffaw..........Looks like our resident scaremongering Corbynista dinosaurs still don't realize they're about to become extinct (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Can someone translate that please *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-21 5:55 AM Fast Pat - 2019-12-20 6:58 PM Alright for some https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191 Tory party donations from productive industries seem to have all but dried up since 'F*ck Business' BoJo took over. And been replaced by donations from hedge funds in dodgy tax havens that make the Mad Hatter's £15 irrelevant. So we can see whose interests BoJo will serve >:-( https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815879/EU-braced-harder-Brexit-Boris-Johnson-rules-following-Brussels-rules.html Yep they've been replaced by donations from us F*ck EU Brexiteers (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-21 8:05 AM pelmetman - 2019-12-21 7:36 AM Guffaw..........Looks like our resident scaremongering Corbynista dinosaurs still don't realize they're about to become extinct (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Can someone translate that please *-) There's a asteroid about to hit the Labour party ;-) .......... There is hope if the sensible Socialists "Take Back Control" :D .......... If not you Loony liberal lefties are destined to spend eternity in the swamp like those other decedents of the dinosaurs >:-) ....... Croc's & Alligators (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-21 7:18 AM I'm dithering and delaying going abroad because I don't know whats going to happen after Jan 31st But at least I have a choice What must it be like for the British Industries still here that depend on just-in-time deliveries from and exports to the EU 8-) If you knew anything at all about the subject, you would know that 'just in time' arrangements are with companies located close to the recipient and very few are long distance or across Borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 747 - 2019-12-21 4:30 PM John52 - 2019-12-21 7:18 AM I'm dithering and delaying going abroad because I don't know whats going to happen after Jan 31st But at least I have a choice What must it be like for the British Industries still here that depend on just-in-time deliveries from and exports to the EU 8-) If you knew anything at all about the subject, you would know that 'just in time' arrangements are with companies located close to the recipient and very few are long distance or across Borders. "If you knew anything" ... Thats a joke isnt it ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 747 - 2019-12-20 8:29 PM Fast Pat - 2019-12-20 6:58 PM Alright for some https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191 This from a person who has already organised his Irish passport. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. 8-) Had he voted Leave you would have a point.....but as he voted Remain, where is the hypocrisy? :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 747 - 2019-12-21 4:30 PM John52 - 2019-12-21 7:18 AM I'm dithering and delaying going abroad because I don't know whats going to happen after Jan 31st But at least I have a choice What must it be like for the British Industries still here that depend on just-in-time deliveries from and exports to the EU 8-) If you knew anything at all about the subject, you would know that 'just in time' arrangements are with companies located close to the recipient and very few are long distance or across Borders. Then you'd need to explain why approximately 1,000 trucks daily cross the channel taking car parts to various UK car factories. What you say me be the ideal, or true in some sectors, but it certainly isn't true for car production, as has been continually highlighted since the referendum by UK based manufacturers such as Honda, JLR, Toyota, Mini, Nissan etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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