Guest pelmetman Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-23 9:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-23 8:27 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-23 5:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-22 8:03 AM John52 - 2019-12-22 7:57 AM 747 - 2019-12-21 10:14 PM The onus is on suppliers to supply what's needed when it's needed. If they don't, they face financial penalties. ..and they are going to agree to that when any one of thousands of foreign customs officials can delay the shipment indefinitely on a whim *-) ... and these foreign car manufacturers are going to ignore all the incentives to relocate, pay all the tariffs and stay in England with 'F*ck Business' BoJo and no parts *-) Or alternatively they could order their just in time parts earlier and keep them in a shed :D ......... You didn't even read 747's description of the system, did you? Your shed must be an air-conditioned warehouse, because the parts must be in prime condition when assembled. That warehouse needs someone to maintain an inventory of what it in it, it needs staffing to rack and distribute the parts to the assembly line, it must be heated, it has to be built on land that has to be acquired, it has to pay rates, it must be insured, and it must be maintained. Those on-costs are exactly what JIT was developed to eliminate. Your response is to junk JIT, and lose the efficiencies it brings. So, how then do UK based assembly plants compete economically with those on the mainland, where distributing both the parts and the finished vehicles doesn't even have to bear the cost of crossing the Channel? Come on, little grey cells! So what do they do when storms stop the ferries or the Frog fishermen block the ports or there's the wrong kinda snow in the Chunnel? *-) ......... Obviously the English channel already puts Britain at a disadvantage. Brexit makes it far worse. And car manufacturers are looking for plants to close, whilst being offered incentives to move to the EU So HOW does Ireland cope? >:-) ............ They've got two ditches to cross (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-24 7:21 AM 747 - 2019-12-23 10:26 PM John52 - 2019-12-23 9:53 PM 747 - 2019-12-23 7:49 PM Brian, not every component can be classed as JIT. . Nobody said it did. But at the risk of stating the obvious (again) shortage of just one component can stop the production line. None of these problems would be insurmountable if time and money were no object. But car manufacturers have surplus capacity and are looking for plants to close. Do I really have to spell it out any further *-) Aah I see. Someone without an ounce of experience in manufacturing, engineering and industry is the expert now. :D Oh Dear. So I do have to spell it out even further. Actually I have experience but thats beside the point because there is such a thing as common sense. That tells us you can't assemble a car if you haven't got ALL the parts. I dunno :-S ........ You Lefties seem to manage to assemble a brain out of b*lls**t (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-24 8:36 AM So HOW does Ireland cope? >:-) ............ With shedloads of YOUR money to buy Tory votes (Including Southern Ireland who got £5bn of it in advance of the Royal visit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Perhaps the entire automotive industry were just making it up then eh? maybe they just need a few sheds and to just jolly well stop moaning. That seems to be about the level of thinking we are at with Brexit so I am sure it will all just be fine. Just believe and it will all be perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-23 8:27 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-23 5:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-22 8:03 AM John52 - 2019-12-22 7:57 AM 747 - 2019-12-21 10:14 PM The onus is on suppliers to supply what's needed when it's needed. If they don't, they face financial penalties. ..and they are going to agree to that when any one of thousands of foreign customs officials can delay the shipment indefinitely on a whim *-) ... and these foreign car manufacturers are going to ignore all the incentives to relocate, pay all the tariffs and stay in England with 'F*ck Business' BoJo and no parts *-) Or alternatively they could order their just in time parts earlier and keep them in a shed :D ......... You didn't even read 747's description of the system, did you? Your shed must be an air-conditioned warehouse, because the parts must be in prime condition when assembled. That warehouse needs someone to maintain an inventory of what it in it, it needs staffing to rack and distribute the parts to the assembly line, it must be heated, it has to be built on land that has to be acquired, it has to pay rates, it must be insured, and it must be maintained. Those on-costs are exactly what JIT was developed to eliminate. Your response is to junk JIT, and lose the efficiencies it brings. So, how then do UK based assembly plants compete economically with those on the mainland, where distributing both the parts and the finished vehicles doesn't even have to bear the cost of crossing the Channel? Come on, little grey cells! So what do they do when storms stop the ferries or the Frog fishermen block the ports or there's the wrong kinda snow in the Chunnel? *-) ......... Ask 747, but I suspect, as would be logical and as he implies above, that there will be a buffering store that is sized to cater for foreseeable hold-ups of the type you cite. Then, if they've got that calculation wrong, production inevitably halts. However, to reliably maintain production, that store would need to be expanded greatly were the delays to become regular, and that expansion, with its concomitant increase in cost, would have an adverse impact on the profitability of production at that plant. This is not primarily about what might cause a supply hiccup, most manufacturers take swappable component supplies from multiple manufacturers, on the basis that if there is a hiccup for one supplier, or on one delivery route, production can be maintained from other suppliers or routes. Any impact from post Brexit frontier delays is likely to impact all routes equally, so will result in rising costs for the assembly plant. How can that be otherwise? That will, in turn, result in lower profitability at that plant than elsewhere. What do sensible industrialists do when production at one location becomes less profitable than at other locations? It ain't that hard surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-24 8:36 AM John52 - 2019-12-23 9:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-23 8:27 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-23 5:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-22 8:03 AM John52 - 2019-12-22 7:57 AM 747 - 2019-12-21 10:14 PM The onus is on suppliers to supply what's needed when it's needed. If they don't, they face financial penalties. ..and they are going to agree to that when any one of thousands of foreign customs officials can delay the shipment indefinitely on a whim *-) ... and these foreign car manufacturers are going to ignore all the incentives to relocate, pay all the tariffs and stay in England with 'F*ck Business' BoJo and no parts *-) Or alternatively they could order their just in time parts earlier and keep them in a shed :D ......... You didn't even read 747's description of the system, did you? Your shed must be an air-conditioned warehouse, because the parts must be in prime condition when assembled. That warehouse needs someone to maintain an inventory of what it in it, it needs staffing to rack and distribute the parts to the assembly line, it must be heated, it has to be built on land that has to be acquired, it has to pay rates, it must be insured, and it must be maintained. Those on-costs are exactly what JIT was developed to eliminate. Your response is to junk JIT, and lose the efficiencies it brings. So, how then do UK based assembly plants compete economically with those on the mainland, where distributing both the parts and the finished vehicles doesn't even have to bear the cost of crossing the Channel? Come on, little grey cells! So what do they do when storms stop the ferries or the Frog fishermen block the ports or there's the wrong kinda snow in the Chunnel? *-) ......... Obviously the English channel already puts Britain at a disadvantage. Brexit makes it far worse. And car manufacturers are looking for plants to close, whilst being offered incentives to move to the EU So HOW does Ireland cope? >:-) ............ They've got two ditches to cross (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Show me an Irish car plant, and I'll explain. Two ditches? There are direct ferries from Cork and Rosslaire, you know? Come on Dave, you're trying to sustain the unsustainable, and simply asking more and more questions instead of providing answers. Raise costs, directly or indirectly, and an already economically precarious country to locate a car plant is liable to become incontrovertibly uneconomical when compared to continental locations with cheaper land and labour, well educated workers, and lower overall taxes. If you were the CEO, you'd be off like a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-12-24 2:59 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-24 8:36 AM John52 - 2019-12-23 9:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-23 8:27 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-23 5:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-22 8:03 AM John52 - 2019-12-22 7:57 AM 747 - 2019-12-21 10:14 PM The onus is on suppliers to supply what's needed when it's needed. If they don't, they face financial penalties. ..and they are going to agree to that when any one of thousands of foreign customs officials can delay the shipment indefinitely on a whim *-) ... and these foreign car manufacturers are going to ignore all the incentives to relocate, pay all the tariffs and stay in England with 'F*ck Business' BoJo and no parts *-) Or alternatively they could order their just in time parts earlier and keep them in a shed :D ......... You didn't even read 747's description of the system, did you? Your shed must be an air-conditioned warehouse, because the parts must be in prime condition when assembled. That warehouse needs someone to maintain an inventory of what it in it, it needs staffing to rack and distribute the parts to the assembly line, it must be heated, it has to be built on land that has to be acquired, it has to pay rates, it must be insured, and it must be maintained. Those on-costs are exactly what JIT was developed to eliminate. Your response is to junk JIT, and lose the efficiencies it brings. So, how then do UK based assembly plants compete economically with those on the mainland, where distributing both the parts and the finished vehicles doesn't even have to bear the cost of crossing the Channel? Come on, little grey cells! So what do they do when storms stop the ferries or the Frog fishermen block the ports or there's the wrong kinda snow in the Chunnel? *-) ......... Obviously the English channel already puts Britain at a disadvantage. Brexit makes it far worse. And car manufacturers are looking for plants to close, whilst being offered incentives to move to the EU So HOW does Ireland cope? >:-) ............ They've got two ditches to cross (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Show me an Irish car plant, and I'll explain. Two ditches? There are direct ferries from Cork and Rosslaire, you know? Come on Dave, you're trying to sustain the unsustainable, and simply asking more and more questions instead of providing answers. Raise costs, directly or indirectly, and an already economically precarious country to locate a car plant is liable to become incontrovertibly uneconomical when compared to continental locations with cheaper land and labour, well educated workers, and lower overall taxes. If you were the CEO, you'd be off like a shot. So "JUST" what happens when there are storms in the channel, or the Frog fishermen get uppity or there's a migrant in the Tunnel Brian? ;-) .......... Or don't those kinda delays count? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-12-24 2:59 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-24 8:36 AM John52 - 2019-12-23 9:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-23 8:27 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-23 5:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-22 8:03 AM John52 - 2019-12-22 7:57 AM 747 - 2019-12-21 10:14 PM The onus is on suppliers to supply what's needed when it's needed. If they don't, they face financial penalties. ..and they are going to agree to that when any one of thousands of foreign customs officials can delay the shipment indefinitely on a whim *-) ... and these foreign car manufacturers are going to ignore all the incentives to relocate, pay all the tariffs and stay in England with 'F*ck Business' BoJo and no parts *-) Or alternatively they could order their just in time parts earlier and keep them in a shed :D ......... You didn't even read 747's description of the system, did you? Your shed must be an air-conditioned warehouse, because the parts must be in prime condition when assembled. That warehouse needs someone to maintain an inventory of what it in it, it needs staffing to rack and distribute the parts to the assembly line, it must be heated, it has to be built on land that has to be acquired, it has to pay rates, it must be insured, and it must be maintained. Those on-costs are exactly what JIT was developed to eliminate. Your response is to junk JIT, and lose the efficiencies it brings. So, how then do UK based assembly plants compete economically with those on the mainland, where distributing both the parts and the finished vehicles doesn't even have to bear the cost of crossing the Channel? Come on, little grey cells! So what do they do when storms stop the ferries or the Frog fishermen block the ports or there's the wrong kinda snow in the Chunnel? *-) ......... Obviously the English channel already puts Britain at a disadvantage. Brexit makes it far worse. And car manufacturers are looking for plants to close, whilst being offered incentives to move to the EU So HOW does Ireland cope? >:-) ............ They've got two ditches to cross (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Show me an Irish car plant, and I'll explain. Two ditches? There are direct ferries from Cork and Rosslaire, you know? Come on Dave, you're trying to sustain the unsustainable, and simply asking more and more questions instead of providing answers. Raise costs, directly or indirectly, and an already economically precarious country to locate a car plant is liable to become incontrovertibly uneconomical when compared to continental locations with cheaper land and labour, well educated workers, and lower overall taxes. If you were the CEO, you'd be off like a shot. Judging by his latest "response" you're just going to keep getting yet more questions and zero answers......because he doesn't have an answer! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-12-24 9:09 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-24 2:59 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-24 8:36 AM John52 - 2019-12-23 9:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-23 8:27 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-23 5:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-22 8:03 AM John52 - 2019-12-22 7:57 AM 747 - 2019-12-21 10:14 PM The onus is on suppliers to supply what's needed when it's needed. If they don't, they face financial penalties. ..and they are going to agree to that when any one of thousands of foreign customs officials can delay the shipment indefinitely on a whim *-) ... and these foreign car manufacturers are going to ignore all the incentives to relocate, pay all the tariffs and stay in England with 'F*ck Business' BoJo and no parts *-) Or alternatively they could order their just in time parts earlier and keep them in a shed :D ......... You didn't even read 747's description of the system, did you? Your shed must be an air-conditioned warehouse, because the parts must be in prime condition when assembled. That warehouse needs someone to maintain an inventory of what it in it, it needs staffing to rack and distribute the parts to the assembly line, it must be heated, it has to be built on land that has to be acquired, it has to pay rates, it must be insured, and it must be maintained. Those on-costs are exactly what JIT was developed to eliminate. Your response is to junk JIT, and lose the efficiencies it brings. So, how then do UK based assembly plants compete economically with those on the mainland, where distributing both the parts and the finished vehicles doesn't even have to bear the cost of crossing the Channel? Come on, little grey cells! So what do they do when storms stop the ferries or the Frog fishermen block the ports or there's the wrong kinda snow in the Chunnel? *-) ......... Obviously the English channel already puts Britain at a disadvantage. Brexit makes it far worse. And car manufacturers are looking for plants to close, whilst being offered incentives to move to the EU So HOW does Ireland cope? >:-) ............ They've got two ditches to cross (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Show me an Irish car plant, and I'll explain. Two ditches? There are direct ferries from Cork and Rosslaire, you know? Come on Dave, you're trying to sustain the unsustainable, and simply asking more and more questions instead of providing answers. Raise costs, directly or indirectly, and an already economically precarious country to locate a car plant is liable to become incontrovertibly uneconomical when compared to continental locations with cheaper land and labour, well educated workers, and lower overall taxes. If you were the CEO, you'd be off like a shot. Judging by his latest "response" you're just going to keep getting yet more questions and zero answers......because he doesn't have an answer! ;-) Correct ;-) ....... Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... Obviously some delays can be accommodated where others can not (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... Obviously some delays can be accommodated where others can not (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Christ on a bike In the name of Sanity how difficult is it to explain you can't assemble a car without all the parts, and anything that interrupts the supply - like Customs and Tariffs, puts that in jeapordy :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Bulletguy - 2019-12-24 9:09 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-24 2:59 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-24 8:36 AM John52 - 2019-12-23 9:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-23 8:27 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-12-23 5:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-22 8:03 AM John52 - 2019-12-22 7:57 AM 747 - 2019-12-21 10:14 PM The onus is on suppliers to supply what's needed when it's needed. If they don't, they face financial penalties. ..and they are going to agree to that when any one of thousands of foreign customs officials can delay the shipment indefinitely on a whim *-) ... and these foreign car manufacturers are going to ignore all the incentives to relocate, pay all the tariffs and stay in England with 'F*ck Business' BoJo and no parts *-) Or alternatively they could order their just in time parts earlier and keep them in a shed :D ......... You didn't even read 747's description of the system, did you? Your shed must be an air-conditioned warehouse, because the parts must be in prime condition when assembled. That warehouse needs someone to maintain an inventory of what it in it, it needs staffing to rack and distribute the parts to the assembly line, it must be heated, it has to be built on land that has to be acquired, it has to pay rates, it must be insured, and it must be maintained. Those on-costs are exactly what JIT was developed to eliminate. Your response is to junk JIT, and lose the efficiencies it brings. So, how then do UK based assembly plants compete economically with those on the mainland, where distributing both the parts and the finished vehicles doesn't even have to bear the cost of crossing the Channel? Come on, little grey cells! So what do they do when storms stop the ferries or the Frog fishermen block the ports or there's the wrong kinda snow in the Chunnel? *-) ......... Obviously the English channel already puts Britain at a disadvantage. Brexit makes it far worse. And car manufacturers are looking for plants to close, whilst being offered incentives to move to the EU So HOW does Ireland cope? >:-) ............ They've got two ditches to cross (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Show me an Irish car plant, and I'll explain. Two ditches? There are direct ferries from Cork and Rosslaire, you know? Come on Dave, you're trying to sustain the unsustainable, and simply asking more and more questions instead of providing answers. Raise costs, directly or indirectly, and an already economically precarious country to locate a car plant is liable to become incontrovertibly uneconomical when compared to continental locations with cheaper land and labour, well educated workers, and lower overall taxes. If you were the CEO, you'd be off like a shot. Judging by his latest "response" you're just going to keep getting yet more questions and zero answers......because he doesn't have an answer! ;-) Correct ;-) ....... Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... The line shuts down and production grinds to a halt.....simple as that. Perhaps not the best of examples to use but to quote one from experience, very few people (outside of the industry) knew or realised just how close we came to losing the Falklands war due to almost running out of munitions through lack of components and dwindling supplies after running machines 24/7 for months on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-25 12:00 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... Obviously some delays can be accommodated where others can not (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Christ on a bike In the name of Sanity how difficult is it to explain you can't assemble a car without all the parts, and anything that interrupts the supply - like Customs and Tariffs, puts that in jeapordy :-( You have to remember Pelmet carries a supply of gaffa tape to keep his 30 year old 'shed' assembled and bases production on that. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... . I think you will find Dave that " just in time " parts are not actually handed down to operatives on an assembly line by the lorry driver who brought them across the channel. I'm sure that manufacturers do keep a few days stock in hand ( presumably in quite a small shed ) just in case of a few days delay. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 malc d - 2019-12-25 2:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... . I think you will find Dave that " just in time " parts are not actually handed down to operatives on an assembly line by the lorry driver who brought them across the channel. I'm sure that manufacturers do keep a few days stock in hand ( presumably in quite a small shed ) just in case of a few days delay. :-( Boss of Jaguar said that if all deliveries stopped the production line would have to stop in 4 hours :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 malc d - 2019-12-25 2:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... . I think you will find Dave that " just in time " parts are not actually handed down to operatives on an assembly line by the lorry driver who brought them across the channel. I'm sure that manufacturers do keep a few days stock in hand ( presumably in quite a small shed ) just in case of a few days delay. :-( So where's the problem with a few hours delay at customs? ;-) ........... At least they will be able to allow for that, unlike a migrant in the tunnel >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 John52 - 2019-12-26 7:47 AM malc d - 2019-12-25 2:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... . I think you will find Dave that " just in time " parts are not actually handed down to operatives on an assembly line by the lorry driver who brought them across the channel. I'm sure that manufacturers do keep a few days stock in hand ( presumably in quite a small shed ) just in case of a few days delay. :-( Boss of Jaguar said that if all deliveries stopped the production line would have to stop in 4 hours :-S What did he say about delays caused by the weather, strikes or migrants in the tunnel? ;-) ......... Oh yeah silly me..........they don't count (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-12-26 7:53 AM John52 - 2019-12-26 7:47 AM malc d - 2019-12-25 2:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-12-25 8:48 AM Neither you or Brian do have the answer to what happens when those Just in time parts are delayed? 8-) ....... . I think you will find Dave that " just in time " parts are not actually handed down to operatives on an assembly line by the lorry driver who brought them across the channel. I'm sure that manufacturers do keep a few days stock in hand ( presumably in quite a small shed ) just in case of a few days delay. :-( Boss of Jaguar said that if all deliveries stopped the production line would have to stop in 4 hours :-S What did he say about delays caused by the weather, strikes or migrants in the tunnel? ;-) ......... Oh yeah silly me..........they don't count (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Silly you indeed! This is classic "fog in Channel, Europe cut off", territory. You're completely missing the point! Consider. You presently have an alliance of 28 countries sharing a "domestic" market of just over 500,000,000 people, living on a land area of just under 1,669,900,000sq miles. Within this market there is trade with zero tariffs, and with no customs borders. One country, with a market of just under 68,000,000, occupies an island that is, at its closest, approximately 20 miles off the shores of the mainland. That country has a number of factories that are owned by companies headquartered elsewhere, mostly on the mainland. Goods presently flow to, and from, those factories without customs clearance and at no trade tariff, but they all have to cross those 20 miles or more of sea, often twice, which adds operational cost and delay to the flow compared to factories located on the mainland. Those factories are therefore less competitive on costs than their mainland competitors, but other advantages presently make them worthwhile maintaining. Most of the output from those factories is destined for the mainland market. That country decides to leave the alliance, and intends to implement its own standards for manufactured goods and also to put in place tariffs and customs checks at its borders. The alliance, concerned about inferior, possibly dangerous, and cheaper, goods being traded into its territory, decides to treat that country as it would any other non-alliance country, and impose border controls with tariffs and customs checks. So now all goods flowing into, and out of, those foreign owned factories will have to pass through customs checks and incur tariffs both entering and leaving the alliance territory. Those checks will create delay (or they will not be checks), and will involve additional administration (or there could be no tariff or duty payable), which will increase the cost of getting the goods across those 20 miles of water, which will inevitably further reduce the competitiveness of those island factories compared to the mainland factories. Question. Where, when planning to produce goods, do you site your next factory? On the island, with its higher costs, smaller market, tariffs, and customs checks, or on the mainland with its larger tariff and customs free market? So, what then happens to the jobs that those factories now provide, and what might replace them? That is the point, not fog in the channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 There might , just might be other markets out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Markets for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-12-30 6:18 PM Markets for what? Worlds 5th largest economy must be selling sumat Brian , you'll know better I'm sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-12-30 5:58 PM There might , just might be other markets out there. There is, lots and we already trade with many of them but why jeopardise the biggest one thats right on your doorstep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 As we are having “pessimists” night, have you considered what happens to those trading with the Eu when it all goes tits up over there,which is where it’s heading, possibly in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-12-30 6:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-12-30 5:58 PM There might , just might be other markets out there. There is, lots and we already trade with many of them but why jeopardise the biggest one thats right on your doorstep? Pretty much what Johnson himself wrote! :-| The EU is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms: the membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it? Shouldn't our policy be like our policy on cake - pro having it and pro eating it? Pro Europe and pro the rest of the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-12-30 8:11 PM Barryd999 - 2019-12-30 6:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-12-30 5:58 PM There might , just might be other markets out there. There is, lots and we already trade with many of them but why jeopardise the biggest one thats right on your doorstep? Pretty much what Johnson himself wrote! :-| The EU is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms: the membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it? Shouldn't our policy be like our policy on cake - pro having it and pro eating it? Pro Europe and pro the rest of the world? What's the problem? ;-) ............. You Losers keep saying people have changed their minds :D ......... Boris obviously did (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-12-30 6:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-12-30 5:58 PM There might , just might be other markets out there. There is, lots and we already trade with many of them but why jeopardise the biggest one thats right on your doorstep? Seems to me it's the EU who wants to jeopardise their market ;-) .......... Not very wise when who have 18 basket case economies to support (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48256318 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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