BP shut down some petrol stations

[Bulletguy]

thebishbus - 2021-09-29 7:25 PM

 

I see the usual no hope remainers are not blaming actions at the DVLA, Covid or the ridiculous panic buying by the public for the petrol problem, but are blaming Brexit. So no doubt they can tell us how many of the trained PETROL TANKER DELIVERY DRIVERS left the UK after Brexit, thus causing the problem.

Brexit is undoubtedly a contributing factor and to deny it is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand and pretending otherwise. After all this problem didn't exist prior to Brexit or prior to UK actually exiting the EU because we had EU truck drivers working here, but during that time the Road Hauliers Association warned government on more than one occasion that UK faced a shortfall of 100,000 drivers once we had exited and lost the EU drivers we had. Government ignored this advice and failed to heed the warnings. Truck drivers were not seen as skilled so didn't qualify for a visa under their crazy scheme......instead Ballerinas were seen as more important and given access.

 

Petrol tanker drivers hold an ADR licence which covers them for milk, fuel, and any toxic liquids, but it's not just that level driver we need, it's all class of HGV such as those delivering food supplies to supermarkets.

[thebishbus]

Yes . Petrol tanker drivers. Class 1. ADR and PDP . How many of those drivers left the UK because of Brexit. ?

Brian B.

[Guest pelmetman]

thebishbus - 2021-09-30 10:15 AM

 

Yes . Class 1. ADR and PDP . How many of those drivers left the UK because of Brexit. ?

Brian B.

 

Europe has its own problems with driver shortages ;-) .........

 

"As early as 2020, logistics analysts Transport Intelligence reported that Germany had an industry gap of between 45,000 and 60,00 HGV drivers. Predictions for 2024 see this number increasing to up 185,000 by 2027.

 

In France, there has been a shortage of 43,000 drivers since 2019 and Italy reports a deficit in drivers of around 15,000.

 

Clearly, the problem is not isolated to the UK, but has been a common issue across Europe for the last couple of years. In total, Europe has an estimated shortage of 400,000 HGV drivers, according to Transport Intelligence."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/is-there-a-lorry-driver-shortage-in-europe-what-is-the-situation-across-the-channel/ar-AAOSjAR#

 

But of course our resident PAL's will ignore the facts as per usual *-) ...........

 

 

[Bulletguy]

Dbl posted.

[Bulletguy]

thebishbus - 2021-09-30 10:15 AM

 

Yes . Petrol tanker drivers. Class 1. ADR and PDP . How many of those drivers left the UK because of Brexit. ?

My previous post covered this but a professional spells out the detail you want.

 

A leading road haulage boss has torn apart the Transport Secretary’s claims that Brexit is not to blame for the current HGV lorry driver crisis and has instead helped “provide a solution” to the shortage.

 

Rod McKenzie, policy director of the Road Haulage Association (RHA), branded the claims outright “illogical”, and said they contradict what drivers have experienced on the road.

 

Asked whether Brexit has eased the HGV crisis, as Grant Shapps claimed on Friday, Mr McKenzie told i: “What he’s saying is illogical – simply put, it’s illogical. It’s not our experience on the ground.

 

He said the main effect of Brexit on the industry has been the impact to the flexible nature of the sector, as the UK heavily relies on EU nationals to plug the gaps when demand increases in busy periods, such as the summer and winter months.

 

“At least 50 per cent of the flexibility is born by European nationals, enabling the increase and decrease of drivers as the industry demands,” Mr Smith said.

 

Paul Mummery, a spokesperson for the RHA, agreed that Brexit was a large contributor to the lorry driver shortage.

 

“We’ve lost 20,000 drivers who have returned to the EU, so Brexit is indeed a factor in the driver shortage getting so much worse this year,” he said.

 

“We’re at a critical point ahead of the busiest time of the year; hauliers must be allowed to recruit overseas drivers on short term visas to plug gaps whilst we recruit and train more UK drivers in the longer term.”

 

Haulage bosses also questioned the Transport Secretary’s claims that ramping up driver testing will help counteract the current shortage.

 

“We have a desperate shortage of lorry drivers and we need to sort it out. The idea that Brexit has helped us in some way defies logic.”

 

Some 14,000 EU HGV drivers left employment in the UK in the 12 months to?June 2020, and only 600 have returned in the past year, according to analysis of Office for National Statistics labour force data commissioned by Logistics UK.

 

Kieran Smith, chief executive at specialist HGV driver recruitment firm Driver Require, also strongly disagreed that Brexit could be dismissed as a factor in the current driver shortage.

 

He told i: “[brexit] is part of it by definition.”

 

Mr Smith said the shortage is “partially due to EU nationals leaving” the country, adding that a European exodus accounts for approximately one sixth of the lost workforce.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/hgv-driver-shortage-haulage-chief-grant-shapps-brexit-blame-lorry-crisis-1216190

 

Yes there is a shortage of drivers in Europe, particularly Germany and Poland, making UK's derisory "offer" of work until Christmas and then we don't want you here, even less appealing, but the Brexit apologist op attempting to divert attention away from the obvious sh1tstorm cannot explain why there are no queues at the forecourt pumps there, or how their supermarket shelves are always well stacked. Not to mention the fact we live in UK and have to fill up with fuel here......not Poland or Germany. *-)

[thebishbus]

Bullitguy. Your reply is just waffle. We all know there is a shortage of HGV drivers caused by various reasons. But you remainers claim that the petrol problem is due to Brexit, because of drivers leaving the UK. So I am just asking how many class 1. ADR.PDP petrol tanker drivers left the UK due to Brexit, as you claim this has caused the petrol problem ?

Brian B.

[Brian Kirby]

pelmetman - 2021-09-30 10:23 AM

thebishbus - 2021-09-30 10:15 AM

Yes . Class 1. ADR and PDP . How many of those drivers left the UK because of Brexit. ?

Brian B.

Europe has its own problems with driver shortages ;-) .........

"As early as 2020, logistics analysts Transport Intelligence reported that Germany had an industry gap of between 45,000 and 60,00 HGV drivers. Predictions for 2024 see this number increasing to up 185,000 by 2027.

In France, there has been a shortage of 43,000 drivers since 2019 and Italy reports a deficit in drivers of around 15,000.

Clearly, the problem is not isolated to the UK, but has been a common issue across Europe for the last couple of years. In total, Europe has an estimated shortage of 400,000 HGV drivers, according to Transport Intelligence."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/is-there-a-lorry-driver-shortage-in-europe-what-is-the-situation-across-the-channel/ar-AAOSjAR#

But of course our resident PAL's will ignore the facts as per usual *-) ...........

I don't think anyone has denied the problem is more widespread than UK alone, have they? What I think people have really been commenting on is that the problem also affects the UK. We supposedly left the moribund, collapsing, undemocratic, EU and threw off its fetters. We (some of us) even celebrated "freedom day"! And where do we find ourselves?

 

In the same boat as much of the EU! The claim was that we'd do so much better if we left. We had that dynamic "Get Brexit Done" government who would solve all out ills. That's going well, isn't it?

 

That dynamic Get Brexit Done government hasn't acquitted itself very well so far, has it? It failed to spot Covid until too late, so we ended up being worse impacted than most of our neighbours, it failed to clamp down on international travel until too late, so we lost our greatest natural, island, advantage, it failed to use existing public health tracing and introduced a unique, technology based, track and trace system that until recently, did neither at great cost, and still is way short of the claimed "world beating" claim, it repeatedly dithered over lock downs - allowing the spread of infection to grow unchecked until we grew our own, more infectious variant, it then repeatedly took them off too early allowing successive waves to break out leading to further lock downs, at huge, largely avoidable, cost to the economy.

 

All these things were in various ways visible and avoidable, but were not reacted to. The truck driver shortage is just another in the line that had been flagged years ago, but was left to fester into another mini-crisis.

 

With that track record in identifying visibly growing problems, and failing to move early to counter them, it is very difficult to believe that the potential practical and economic impacts of Brexit were take into account in their rush for political advantage and popularity. By their deeds shall ye know them. You haven't got it yet, have you? :-D

[Tracker]

Brian Kirby - 2021-09-30 6:56 PM

You haven't got it yet, have you? :-D

 

I have Brian and I doubt I will vote for Boris again!

 

Trouble is I don't see Labour in it's present format as a trustworthy or viable alternative and the also ran parties seem to have even less of a clue?

 

Out of the frying pan into the fire comes to mind?

[Bulletguy]

thebishbus - 2021-09-30 6:55 PM

 

Bullitguy. Your reply is just waffle. We all know there is a shortage of HGV drivers caused by various reasons. But you remainers claim that the petrol problem is due to Brexit, because of drivers leaving the UK. So I am just asking how many class 1. ADR.PDP petrol tanker drivers left the UK due to Brexit, as you claim this has caused the petrol problem ?

It's as reported from the professionals with figures supplied by the ONS. Brexit is a factor and to deny it is just sticking your head in the sand as Brexiters always do each time something goes pear shaped. The pandemic provided a smokescreen for your Brexit failures but you cannot continue hiding behind it. The ONS and RHA don't specify tanker drivers only and as i've already mentioned in another post we have a truck driver shortage per se. We need drivers to fill those empty supermarket shelves as well as tanker drivers to fill empty forecourt stations. What part of that is so difficult to understand?

 

There are no remainers. The referendum ended over five years ago. We want no part of the sh1tshow you've created so you will have to clear up your own mess. We are rejoiners who will continue highlighting the debacle of Brexit.

[John52]

pelmetman - 2021-09-30 10:23 AM

Europe has its own problems with driver shortages ;-) .........

 

But not fighting on the forecourts

.. or empty supermarket shelves

... or EU companies relocating this side of the trade barrier

[John52]

Tracker - 2021-09-30 7:29 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2021-09-30 6:56 PM

You haven't got it yet, have you? :-D

 

I have Brian and I doubt I will vote for Boris again!

 

Trouble is I don't see Labour in it's present format as a trustworthy or viable alternative and the also ran parties seem to have even less of a clue?

 

Out of the frying pan into the fire comes to mind?

 

What sort of person votes for a Prime Minister that conspired to have a journalist beaten up

[Bulletguy]

 

This Dutch truck driver comes straight to the point over UK begging EU drivers to come and help. (lol)(lol)

 

Also noticed among the top comments, one from a Polish driver who had been resident in UK the past 15 years, has full settled status, but decided to leave as he "felt that something has changed and I can't call UK my home any more." He's now living and working in Holland.

 

[CurtainRaiser]

Private Eye nails it

 

[John52]

Bulletguy - 2021-09-30 9:50 PM

 

He's now living and working in Holland.

 

Maybe for one of the English companies that have had to move over there :-S

[Bulletguy]

 

Tanker driver Johnny Anderson was tailed by a stream of cars following him on a dual carriageway.

 

But he was transporting cement and not petrol! (lol)

 

After arriving at the site entrance road a car driver at the front shouted to ask him which petrol station he was going to.

 

"I'm not going to any", the tanker driver replied. "Why not" the indignant motorist questioned. "Because i'm not carrying petrol" to which the motorist said, "well you could have stopped and told us"! *-)

 

https://tinyurl.com/ztbs8658

 

 

[Bulletguy]

 

British trucker of 40 years tells why he's not surprised at the driver shortage. He's about to set off for Austria.

 

It's a short clip but enough to show the stark contrast between "facilities" in UK for truck drivers, and that in Europe.

 

[Bulletguy]

 

Johnson still hasn't got the hang of this driver shortage.

 

Amazed that there has been no rush of EU truckers begging to be let into UK, he's increased his fantastic offer by granting a further two month on their visas telling them we won't kick you out until the end of February.

 

Such a charitable fellow. *-)

 

Listen up you scruffy fat slob. They aren't going to come. They already have decent jobs in their own country which enables them to have unfettered access to all other sensible countries in Europe where they are treated with respect and provided with proper facilities.

 

https://tinyurl.com/cmw4nwy7