Guest pelmetman Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-25 2:29 PM The racist parties leaders meeting with Jewish leaders didn't go very well at all ... https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-fails-to-heal-anti-semitism-wounds-11345690 ... Racism must be tackled at all levels ... Decent Labour supporters should be out demanding the heads of the many racist anti-Semites in its ranks but seems silence is their way to deal with it ... As usual ... For the many , not the Jew I can only imagine his antecedents were excellent miners B-) .......... Judging by the hole he's digging (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Yet another vile Labour racist ... Its only taken 2 years to sort it though ... Like the rest of those suspended in the Labour Party over raving anti-Semitic issues he'll be welcomed back shortly ... Vile racists seem to be everywhere in that party ... https://news.sky.com/story/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-over-anti-semitism-row-11348450 ... He makes an interesting comment in his defence that he fights against anti-black racism !!! ... Shouldn't he be just saying racism ??? ... Who was it in the Labour Party who said whites cant be the victims of racism ??? ... A vote for Labour is a vote for racism ... Vile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-27 2:39 PM Yet another vile Labour racist ... Like the rest of those suspended in the Labour Party over raving anti-Semitic issues he'll be welcomed back shortly ... Instead of going off on another of your wild rants, please point specifically to the antisemitic remark the man has said as all your link states is "Marc Wadsworth accused Ruth Smeeth of 'working hand-in-hand' with the Daily Telegraph". Exactly what is the antisemitic remark he's alleged to have made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Antony??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 6:40 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 2:39 PM Yet another vile Labour racist ... Like the rest of those suspended in the Labour Party over raving anti-Semitic issues he'll be welcomed back shortly ... Instead of going off on another of your wild rants, please point specifically to the antisemitic remark the man has said as all your link states is "Marc Wadsworth accused Ruth Smeeth of 'working hand-in-hand' with the Daily Telegraph". Exactly what is the antisemitic remark he's alleged to have made? Well its your party not mine ... Supposedly he's committed two offences that bring the party into disrepute and got kicked out because of it ... Your party , not mine so maybe next time your writing to your local MP you can have a word about him ... He's obviously very racist ... To quote him he said he was against anti-black racism , well surely that should have been just racism ??? ... I suspect he hates whites ... Vile racist party and anyone who votes for them is a vile racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-27 8:16 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 6:40 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 2:39 PM Yet another vile Labour racist ... Like the rest of those suspended in the Labour Party over raving anti-Semitic issues he'll be welcomed back shortly ... Instead of going off on another of your wild rants, please point specifically to the antisemitic remark the man has said as all your link states is "Marc Wadsworth accused Ruth Smeeth of 'working hand-in-hand' with the Daily Telegraph". Exactly what is the antisemitic remark he's alleged to have made? Well its your party not mine ... Supposedly he's committed two offences. Sorry but that doesn't equate to an antisemitic remark. He was expelled for what was described as behaviour "grossly detrimental to the party" - not antisemitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 8:45 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 8:16 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 6:40 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 2:39 PM Yet another vile Labour racist ... Like the rest of those suspended in the Labour Party over raving anti-Semitic issues he'll be welcomed back shortly ... Instead of going off on another of your wild rants, please point specifically to the antisemitic remark the man has said as all your link states is "Marc Wadsworth accused Ruth Smeeth of 'working hand-in-hand' with the Daily Telegraph". Exactly what is the antisemitic remark he's alleged to have made? Well its your party not mine ... Supposedly he's committed two offences. Sorry but that doesn't equate to an antisemitic remark. He was expelled for what was described as behaviour "grossly detrimental to the party" - not antisemitism. Its difficult to believe your defending a racist and anti-Semite in your party ... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-marc-wadsworth-expelled-heckler-jewish-mp-antisemitism-report-ruth-smeeth-jeremy-corbyn-a8325261.html ... Any decent fella would have saluted the booting out of a racist in their party ... Maybe your dislike of racism is selective ... Vile ... Your a racist supporter , suppose that makes you a vile racist ... Even worse your a hypocrite too ... Vile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-27 8:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 8:45 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 8:16 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 6:40 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 2:39 PM Yet another vile Labour racist ... Like the rest of those suspended in the Labour Party over raving anti-Semitic issues he'll be welcomed back shortly ... Instead of going off on another of your wild rants, please point specifically to the antisemitic remark the man has said as all your link states is "Marc Wadsworth accused Ruth Smeeth of 'working hand-in-hand' with the Daily Telegraph". Exactly what is the antisemitic remark he's alleged to have made? Well its your party not mine ... Supposedly he's committed two offences. Sorry but that doesn't equate to an antisemitic remark. He was expelled for what was described as behaviour "grossly detrimental to the party" - not antisemitism. Its difficult to believe your defending a racist and anti-Semite in your party ... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-marc-wadsworth-expelled-heckler-jewish-mp-antisemitism-report-ruth-smeeth-jeremy-corbyn-a8325261.html ... Any decent fella would have saluted the booting out of a racist in their party ... Maybe your dislike of racism is selective ... Vile ... Your a racist supporter , suppose that makes you a vile racist ... Even worse your a hypocrite too ... Vile I'm still searching that link you've just posted for anything remotely 'antisemitic' or 'racist'. Saying someone is 'working hand in hand with right wing newspapers' is nether antisemitic or racist so i'm failing to see how you can possibly conclude that! Oh and i'm not alone either as many other forums are asking precisely the same question to which nobody has yet come up with an answer. When openly accusing me of being a racist, which i am not, and a hypocrite, which i am not....it would serve your argument better if you could substantiate that with some solid factual evidence instead of resorting to flinging out personal insults which simply shows you've lost it. But i appreciate your concern over antisemitism (shame that same concern doesn't spread out a little more to encompass Muslims, migrants and refugees too) so you will be very keen to read what Jewish people themselves have to say on the matter of antisemitism. Oppose antisemitism and malicious accusations by supporters of the Tory Party The Jewish Socialists' Group expresses its serious concern at the rise of antisemitism, especially under extreme right wing governments in central and Eastern Europe, in America under Donald Trump’s Presidency and here in Britain under Theresa May’s premiership. The recent extensive survey by the highly respected Jewish Policy Research confirmed that the main repository of antisemitic views in Britain is among supporters of the Conservative Party and UKIP. This political context, alongside declining support for the Tories, reveals the malicious intent behind the the latest flimsy accusations of antisemitism against Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party. These accusations have come from the unrepresentative Board of Deputies and the unelected, self-proclaimed “Jewish Leadership Council”, two bodies dominated by supporters of the Tory Party. Between now and the local elections the Tories would love to divert the electorate on to accusations of antisemitism against the Labour Party rather than have us discussing austerity, cuts to local authority budgets, the health service, and social care. Many Jews within and beyond the Labour Party are suffering from these policies along with the rest of the population, and oppose them vehemently. http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/oppose-antisemitism-and-malicious-accusations-by-supporters-of-the-tory-par Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 Youve asked me to post his "anti-Semitic remark" ... I never said he made one did I ??? ... It was his behaviour at an anti-Semitic event ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row ... Your Bible not mine so it must be right ... He says Corbyn or his office rang to offer him support , Corbyn or his office have said they did no such thing so either way someone in Labour is lying ... Stop defending vile racists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 8:45 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 8:16 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-27 6:40 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-27 2:39 PM Yet another vile Labour racist ... Like the rest of those suspended in the Labour Party over raving anti-Semitic issues he'll be welcomed back shortly ... Instead of going off on another of your wild rants, please point specifically to the antisemitic remark the man has said as all your link states is "Marc Wadsworth accused Ruth Smeeth of 'working hand-in-hand' with the Daily Telegraph". Exactly what is the antisemitic remark he's alleged to have made? Well its your party not mine ... Supposedly he's committed two offences. Sorry but that doesn't equate to an antisemitic remark. He was expelled for what was described as behaviour "grossly detrimental to the party" - not antisemitism. Clearly our resident Labour lemmings are blind to the obvious rampant antisemitism within their own party *-) ........ I guess that's why they're screaming so loudly about the few unfortunate people who are involved in the Windrush debacle :-| .......... Maybe they should rewrite that slogan of theirs?..........."For the few ...Not the many" (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-28 6:26 AM Youve asked me to post his "anti-Semitic remark" ... I never said he made one did I ??? ... It was his behaviour at an anti-Semitic event ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row ... Your Bible not mine so it must be right ... He says Corbyn or his office rang to offer him support , Corbyn or his office have said they did no such thing so either way someone in Labour is lying ... Stop defending vile racists No, i asked you to point specifically to what the antisemitic remark was and you couldn't because truth is Antony he never made any at all and if you'd listened to the video clip it's clear for anyone to hear that he didn't. Typically you seized on this snippet of wild conjecture to go off on a crackpot rant because you are are in a dilemma over factual reports on Windrush which is spreading like a curse on government....very ugly truths you are unable to deal with so you see this as a convenient attempt at deflection. So there is no racism to defend at all.......because there never was any and that's what has made this incident so ludicrous. The following is from an eye witness at the actual meeting; "Shami Chakrabarti invited members of the press... to ask questions... not one of them asked about the report itself, or about antisemitism. Instead they abused the privilege of being invited to ask questions by pressing Jeremy Corbyn about extraneous Labour leadership issues, and allegations about Momentum and “Trotskyists”. The tone was set by a Daily Telegraph reporter (Kate McCann) who referred to someone present who had been handing out Momentum leaflets before the formal event began. I never saw these leaflets. As the exchanges became more tetchy... it became apparent that the leaflet incident concerned Marc Wadsworth, who was standing just behind where I was sitting... Wadsworth made a remark about the Daily Telegraph journalist, whom he said had passed a press release to Labour MP Ruth Smeeth before the meeting. In the meeting Smeeth was sitting not far from the Telegraph journalist (and in clear view of myself). Wadsworth added: “We can see who is working hand in hand.” Smeeth... looked alarmed by Wadsworth’s comments, and said, 'How dare you?' The audience turned towards her and Wadsworth, irritated that a private argument was distracting from the the launch of an important report. Smeeth stood up and calmly walked out, followed soon afterwards by Kate McCann, the Daily Telegraph reporter. I was absolutely astonished to hear and read news reports just hours after this event... which claimed that Ruth Smeeth MP had walked out of the event in tears and that there had been an antisemitic incident at the launch of the report from the Labour Party’s inquiry into antisemitism. I had not witnessed any such incident and she did not walk out in tears. And a timeline to put the matter further into perspective. 1. Wadsworth was handing out Momentum leaflets calling for the deselection of Labour MPs who are undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 2. Ruth Smeeth is a Labour MP who is undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 3. Ruth Smeeth backed Yvette Cooper in the 2015 Labour Leadership Election 4. Ruth Smeeth resigned from the Labour Shadow Cabinet in protest of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership 5. Ruth Smeeth has not denied that a Telegraph Journalist asked Wadsworth for the leaflet and then handed the leaflet to Ruth Smeeth. 6. Ruth Smeeth left the meeting and was followed out of the room by the Telegraph Journalist. Marc Wadsworth's comments were in response to comments made by the Telegraph Journalist who chose to talk about someone handing out Momentum leaflets when she should have been asking a question about the Chakrabarti report. She was one of a string of journalists who were ignoring the purpose of the meeting - the Chakrabarti report - and were using the Q&A session to attack Jeremy Corbyn. And Marc Wadsworth was responding to that. Smeeth is an MP where Wadsworth is just a party member so after reading an eye witness account, listening to the video, looking at Smeeth's political background history, i'm of the opinion they got this wrong. By Smeeth accusing him of racism for what he said about her and the Telegraph she has shown herself to be at best very silly or at worst having an agenda. If Wadsworth decides to pursue this further it seems to me that any half decent lawyer would not have great difficulty in challenging the case against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 15.49 nit picking time *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 3:29 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 6:26 AM Youve asked me to post his "anti-Semitic remark" ... I never said he made one did I ??? ... It was his behaviour at an anti-Semitic event ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row ... Your Bible not mine so it must be right ... He says Corbyn or his office rang to offer him support , Corbyn or his office have said they did no such thing so either way someone in Labour is lying ... Stop defending vile racists No, i asked you to point specifically to what the antisemitic remark was and you couldn't because truth is Antony he never made any at all and if you'd listened to the video clip it's clear for anyone to hear that he didn't. Typically you seized on this snippet of wild conjecture to go off on a crackpot rant because you are are in a dilemma over factual reports on Windrush which is spreading like a curse on government....very ugly truths you are unable to deal with so you see this as a convenient attempt at deflection. So there is no racism to defend at all.......because there never was any and that's what has made this incident so ludicrous. The following is from an eye witness at the actual meeting; "Shami Chakrabarti invited members of the press... to ask questions... not one of them asked about the report itself, or about antisemitism. Instead they abused the privilege of being invited to ask questions by pressing Jeremy Corbyn about extraneous Labour leadership issues, and allegations about Momentum and “Trotskyists”. The tone was set by a Daily Telegraph reporter (Kate McCann) who referred to someone present who had been handing out Momentum leaflets before the formal event began. I never saw these leaflets. As the exchanges became more tetchy... it became apparent that the leaflet incident concerned Marc Wadsworth, who was standing just behind where I was sitting... Wadsworth made a remark about the Daily Telegraph journalist, whom he said had passed a press release to Labour MP Ruth Smeeth before the meeting. In the meeting Smeeth was sitting not far from the Telegraph journalist (and in clear view of myself). Wadsworth added: “We can see who is working hand in hand.” Smeeth... looked alarmed by Wadsworth’s comments, and said, 'How dare you?' The audience turned towards her and Wadsworth, irritated that a private argument was distracting from the the launch of an important report. Smeeth stood up and calmly walked out, followed soon afterwards by Kate McCann, the Daily Telegraph reporter. I was absolutely astonished to hear and read news reports just hours after this event... which claimed that Ruth Smeeth MP had walked out of the event in tears and that there had been an antisemitic incident at the launch of the report from the Labour Party’s inquiry into antisemitism. I had not witnessed any such incident and she did not walk out in tears. And a timeline to put the matter further into perspective. 1. Wadsworth was handing out Momentum leaflets calling for the deselection of Labour MPs who are undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 2. Ruth Smeeth is a Labour MP who is undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 3. Ruth Smeeth backed Yvette Cooper in the 2015 Labour Leadership Election 4. Ruth Smeeth resigned from the Labour Shadow Cabinet in protest of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership 5. Ruth Smeeth has not denied that a Telegraph Journalist asked Wadsworth for the leaflet and then handed the leaflet to Ruth Smeeth. 6. Ruth Smeeth left the meeting and was followed out of the room by the Telegraph Journalist. Marc Wadsworth's comments were in response to comments made by the Telegraph Journalist who chose to talk about someone handing out Momentum leaflets when she should have been asking a question about the Chakrabarti report. She was one of a string of journalists who were ignoring the purpose of the meeting - the Chakrabarti report - and were using the Q&A session to attack Jeremy Corbyn. And Marc Wadsworth was responding to that. Smeeth is an MP where Wadsworth is just a party member so after reading an eye witness account, listening to the video, looking at Smeeth's political background history, i'm of the opinion they got this wrong. By Smeeth accusing him of racism for what he said about her and the Telegraph she has shown herself to be at best very silly or at worst having an agenda. If Wadsworth decides to pursue this further it seems to me that any half decent lawyer would not have great difficulty in challenging the case against him. Embarrassed for you that your defending such an individual to be fair ... You should salute that your party seems to be eventually trying to make in-roads on the vile racist problem they have but then again I think you have selective racism yourself ... You don't have to talk or pass any remark these days to be classed as racist , take the dog owner whose just been convicted for having his dog supposedly give the Nazi salute and unfortunately for you and your ilk because you've used and thrown the word racist for years to describe anyone who disagrees with your view you've watered down true racism ... The mans obviously selective with his hatred of racism as in his own words says black racism so obviously white racism means nothing to him ... You need to write your MP again and demand he's allowed back ... Obviously 1 less racist in your party seems to offend you ... A vote for Labour is a vote for racism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-28 5:24 PM Embarrassed for you that your defending such an individual to be fair ... You should salute that your party seems to be eventually trying to make in-roads on the vile racist problem they have but then again I think you have selective racism yourself ... You don't have to talk or pass any remark these days to be classed as racist , take the dog owner whose just been convicted for having his dog supposedly give the Nazi salute and unfortunately for you and your ilk because you've used and thrown the word racist for years to describe anyone who disagrees with your view you've watered down true racism ... The mans obviously selective with his hatred of racism as in his own words says black racism so obviously white racism means nothing to him ... You need to write your MP again and demand he's allowed back ... Obviously 1 less racist in your party seems to offend you ... A vote for Labour is a vote for racism In the olden days Antony, responding to the likes of Bullet was called feeding the Troll's :-| ....... Unfortunately they have emerged from chaos of Blairisim to take over Labour 8-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-28 5:24 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 3:29 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 6:26 AM Youve asked me to post his "anti-Semitic remark" ... I never said he made one did I ??? ... It was his behaviour at an anti-Semitic event ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row ... Your Bible not mine so it must be right ... He says Corbyn or his office rang to offer him support , Corbyn or his office have said they did no such thing so either way someone in Labour is lying ... Stop defending vile racists No, i asked you to point specifically to what the antisemitic remark was and you couldn't because truth is Antony he never made any at all and if you'd listened to the video clip it's clear for anyone to hear that he didn't. Typically you seized on this snippet of wild conjecture to go off on a crackpot rant because you are are in a dilemma over factual reports on Windrush which is spreading like a curse on government....very ugly truths you are unable to deal with so you see this as a convenient attempt at deflection. So there is no racism to defend at all.......because there never was any and that's what has made this incident so ludicrous. The following is from an eye witness at the actual meeting; "Shami Chakrabarti invited members of the press... to ask questions... not one of them asked about the report itself, or about antisemitism. Instead they abused the privilege of being invited to ask questions by pressing Jeremy Corbyn about extraneous Labour leadership issues, and allegations about Momentum and “Trotskyists”. The tone was set by a Daily Telegraph reporter (Kate McCann) who referred to someone present who had been handing out Momentum leaflets before the formal event began. I never saw these leaflets. As the exchanges became more tetchy... it became apparent that the leaflet incident concerned Marc Wadsworth, who was standing just behind where I was sitting... Wadsworth made a remark about the Daily Telegraph journalist, whom he said had passed a press release to Labour MP Ruth Smeeth before the meeting. In the meeting Smeeth was sitting not far from the Telegraph journalist (and in clear view of myself). Wadsworth added: “We can see who is working hand in hand.” Smeeth... looked alarmed by Wadsworth’s comments, and said, 'How dare you?' The audience turned towards her and Wadsworth, irritated that a private argument was distracting from the the launch of an important report. Smeeth stood up and calmly walked out, followed soon afterwards by Kate McCann, the Daily Telegraph reporter. I was absolutely astonished to hear and read news reports just hours after this event... which claimed that Ruth Smeeth MP had walked out of the event in tears and that there had been an antisemitic incident at the launch of the report from the Labour Party’s inquiry into antisemitism. I had not witnessed any such incident and she did not walk out in tears. And a timeline to put the matter further into perspective. 1. Wadsworth was handing out Momentum leaflets calling for the deselection of Labour MPs who are undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 2. Ruth Smeeth is a Labour MP who is undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 3. Ruth Smeeth backed Yvette Cooper in the 2015 Labour Leadership Election 4. Ruth Smeeth resigned from the Labour Shadow Cabinet in protest of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership 5. Ruth Smeeth has not denied that a Telegraph Journalist asked Wadsworth for the leaflet and then handed the leaflet to Ruth Smeeth. 6. Ruth Smeeth left the meeting and was followed out of the room by the Telegraph Journalist. Marc Wadsworth's comments were in response to comments made by the Telegraph Journalist who chose to talk about someone handing out Momentum leaflets when she should have been asking a question about the Chakrabarti report. She was one of a string of journalists who were ignoring the purpose of the meeting - the Chakrabarti report - and were using the Q&A session to attack Jeremy Corbyn. And Marc Wadsworth was responding to that. Smeeth is an MP where Wadsworth is just a party member so after reading an eye witness account, listening to the video, looking at Smeeth's political background history, i'm of the opinion they got this wrong. By Smeeth accusing him of racism for what he said about her and the Telegraph she has shown herself to be at best very silly or at worst having an agenda. If Wadsworth decides to pursue this further it seems to me that any half decent lawyer would not have great difficulty in challenging the case against him. Embarrassed for you that your defending such an individual to be fair ... You should salute that your party seems to be eventually trying to make in-roads on the vile racist problem they have but then again I think you have selective racism yourself . I've pointed out a fact you continue to ignore because it's not suiting your narrative. The man in question made no racist remark at all and you cannot find anything to prove otherwise. He was expelled for bringing the party into disrepute....not antisemitism or any form of racism so your ranting is completely void of logic. I notice you completely ignored what the Jewish Socialists' Group posted as once again, that 'upsets' your far right narrative and as for 'selective racism' i abhor all forms of racism unlike yourself as your post history shows a long established seething hatred of Muslims whom you regularly vilify on here. That's 'selective racism'. Think hard about it the next time you sling that remark out. The day you cease your continual postings of hate against Muslims which permeate throughout this forum will be the day you might just be able to say you are no longer a 'selective' racist......but i never expect to see that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 6:28 PM will be the day you might just be able to say you are no longer a 'selective' racist....... Hahahahahaha.......did he just say that (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) ??????........ Oh dear Bullet you really "DO" have no idea of irony >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 6:28 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 5:24 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 3:29 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 6:26 AM Youve asked me to post his "anti-Semitic remark" ... I never said he made one did I ??? ... It was his behaviour at an anti-Semitic event ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row ... Your Bible not mine so it must be right ... He says Corbyn or his office rang to offer him support , Corbyn or his office have said they did no such thing so either way someone in Labour is lying ... Stop defending vile racists No, i asked you to point specifically to what the antisemitic remark was and you couldn't because truth is Antony he never made any at all and if you'd listened to the video clip it's clear for anyone to hear that he didn't. Typically you seized on this snippet of wild conjecture to go off on a crackpot rant because you are are in a dilemma over factual reports on Windrush which is spreading like a curse on government....very ugly truths you are unable to deal with so you see this as a convenient attempt at deflection. So there is no racism to defend at all.......because there never was any and that's what has made this incident so ludicrous. The following is from an eye witness at the actual meeting; "Shami Chakrabarti invited members of the press... to ask questions... not one of them asked about the report itself, or about antisemitism. Instead they abused the privilege of being invited to ask questions by pressing Jeremy Corbyn about extraneous Labour leadership issues, and allegations about Momentum and “Trotskyists”. The tone was set by a Daily Telegraph reporter (Kate McCann) who referred to someone present who had been handing out Momentum leaflets before the formal event began. I never saw these leaflets. As the exchanges became more tetchy... it became apparent that the leaflet incident concerned Marc Wadsworth, who was standing just behind where I was sitting... Wadsworth made a remark about the Daily Telegraph journalist, whom he said had passed a press release to Labour MP Ruth Smeeth before the meeting. In the meeting Smeeth was sitting not far from the Telegraph journalist (and in clear view of myself). Wadsworth added: “We can see who is working hand in hand.” Smeeth... looked alarmed by Wadsworth’s comments, and said, 'How dare you?' The audience turned towards her and Wadsworth, irritated that a private argument was distracting from the the launch of an important report. Smeeth stood up and calmly walked out, followed soon afterwards by Kate McCann, the Daily Telegraph reporter. I was absolutely astonished to hear and read news reports just hours after this event... which claimed that Ruth Smeeth MP had walked out of the event in tears and that there had been an antisemitic incident at the launch of the report from the Labour Party’s inquiry into antisemitism. I had not witnessed any such incident and she did not walk out in tears. And a timeline to put the matter further into perspective. 1. Wadsworth was handing out Momentum leaflets calling for the deselection of Labour MPs who are undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 2. Ruth Smeeth is a Labour MP who is undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 3. Ruth Smeeth backed Yvette Cooper in the 2015 Labour Leadership Election 4. Ruth Smeeth resigned from the Labour Shadow Cabinet in protest of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership 5. Ruth Smeeth has not denied that a Telegraph Journalist asked Wadsworth for the leaflet and then handed the leaflet to Ruth Smeeth. 6. Ruth Smeeth left the meeting and was followed out of the room by the Telegraph Journalist. Marc Wadsworth's comments were in response to comments made by the Telegraph Journalist who chose to talk about someone handing out Momentum leaflets when she should have been asking a question about the Chakrabarti report. She was one of a string of journalists who were ignoring the purpose of the meeting - the Chakrabarti report - and were using the Q&A session to attack Jeremy Corbyn. And Marc Wadsworth was responding to that. Smeeth is an MP where Wadsworth is just a party member so after reading an eye witness account, listening to the video, looking at Smeeth's political background history, i'm of the opinion they got this wrong. By Smeeth accusing him of racism for what he said about her and the Telegraph she has shown herself to be at best very silly or at worst having an agenda. If Wadsworth decides to pursue this further it seems to me that any half decent lawyer would not have great difficulty in challenging the case against him. Embarrassed for you that your defending such an individual to be fair ... You should salute that your party seems to be eventually trying to make in-roads on the vile racist problem they have but then again I think you have selective racism yourself . I've pointed out a fact you continue to ignore because it's not suiting your narrative. The man in question made no racist remark at all and you cannot find anything to prove otherwise. He was expelled for bringing the party into disrepute....not antisemitism or any form of racism so your ranting is completely void of logic. I notice you completely ignored what the Jewish Socialists' Group posted as once again, that 'upsets' your far right narrative and as for 'selective racism' i abhor all forms of racism unlike yourself as your post history shows a long established seething hatred of Muslims whom you regularly vilify on here. That's 'selective racism'. Think hard about it the next time you sling that remark out. The day you cease your continual postings of hate against Muslims which permeate throughout this forum will be the day you might just be able to say you are no longer a 'selective' racist......but i never expect to see that day. I'll ask you again but i'll get no joy ... Show me where Ive said something racist towards Muslims ... Might make your point more valid ... If not as usual its all just hot air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 What a nasty man Wadsworth is ... "the black community will rise up" ... "we want something for our votes" ... Utter vile racist stoking racism in our fine country ... How can any decent person defend him ... https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/marc-wadsworth-the-black-community-will-rise-up-36852164.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-28 7:38 PM I'll ask you again but i'll get no joy ... Show me where Ive said something racist towards Muslims Your posting history is clear enough. You barely manage a day without posting some racist bile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 8:17 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 7:38 PM I'll ask you again but i'll get no joy ... Show me where Ive said something racist towards Muslims Your posting history is clear enough. You barely manage a day without posting some racist bile. Com'on Bullet you've had hours to think of a much better repartee than that *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 8:17 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 7:38 PM I'll ask you again but i'll get no joy ... Show me where Ive said something racist towards Muslims Your posting history is clear enough. You barely manage a day without posting some racist bile. C'mon then ... Man up ... Show some of this racist bile ... Quite how I'm racist towards a religion I don't know ... You say barely a day goes by without me posting racist bile ... That means since I've been a member I must have posted hundreds , into the thousands maybe ... You've got loads to choose from then so c'mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-28 9:01 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 8:17 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 7:38 PM I'll ask you again but i'll get no joy ... Show me where Ive said something racist towards Muslims Your posting history is clear enough. You barely manage a day without posting some racist bile. C'mon then ... Man up ... Show some of this racist bile ... Quite how I'm racist towards a religion I don't know ... You say barely a day goes by without me posting racist bile ... That means since I've been a member I must have posted hundreds , into the thousands maybe ... You've got loads to choose from then so c'mon If I'm ever involved in a police fire fight again ;-) ..........I've decided to dive to the left :-| ........ Just in case Bullet made the ammunition 8-) ........Because it's bound to have a left wing bias and head for the right >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 You hear that ......... Silence ... Trouble is when someone shouts racist to try to shut you up what they are really trying to do is shut down an argument they don't like and cant handle ... When they have no proof of the racism they claim all they have achieved is to water down the word racist and make it almost meaningless ... Some folk are their own worst enemies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 3:29 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 6:26 AM Youve asked me to post his "anti-Semitic remark" ... I never said he made one did I ??? ... It was his behaviour at an anti-Semitic event ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row ... Your Bible not mine so it must be right ... He says Corbyn or his office rang to offer him support , Corbyn or his office have said they did no such thing so either way someone in Labour is lying ... Stop defending vile racists No, i asked you to point specifically to what the antisemitic remark was and you couldn't because truth is Antony he never made any at all and if you'd listened to the video clip it's clear for anyone to hear that he didn't. Typically you seized on this snippet of wild conjecture to go off on a crackpot rant because you are are in a dilemma over factual reports on Windrush which is spreading like a curse on government....very ugly truths you are unable to deal with so you see this as a convenient attempt at deflection. So there is no racism to defend at all.......because there never was any and that's what has made this incident so ludicrous. The following is from an eye witness at the actual meeting; "Shami Chakrabarti invited members of the press... to ask questions... not one of them asked about the report itself, or about antisemitism. Instead they abused the privilege of being invited to ask questions by pressing Jeremy Corbyn about extraneous Labour leadership issues, and allegations about Momentum and “Trotskyists”. The tone was set by a Daily Telegraph reporter (Kate McCann) who referred to someone present who had been handing out Momentum leaflets before the formal event began. I never saw these leaflets. As the exchanges became more tetchy... it became apparent that the leaflet incident concerned Marc Wadsworth, who was standing just behind where I was sitting... Wadsworth made a remark about the Daily Telegraph journalist, whom he said had passed a press release to Labour MP Ruth Smeeth before the meeting. In the meeting Smeeth was sitting not far from the Telegraph journalist (and in clear view of myself). Wadsworth added: “We can see who is working hand in hand.” Smeeth... looked alarmed by Wadsworth’s comments, and said, 'How dare you?' The audience turned towards her and Wadsworth, irritated that a private argument was distracting from the the launch of an important report. Smeeth stood up and calmly walked out, followed soon afterwards by Kate McCann, the Daily Telegraph reporter. I was absolutely astonished to hear and read news reports just hours after this event... which claimed that Ruth Smeeth MP had walked out of the event in tears and that there had been an antisemitic incident at the launch of the report from the Labour Party’s inquiry into antisemitism. I had not witnessed any such incident and she did not walk out in tears. And a timeline to put the matter further into perspective. 1. Wadsworth was handing out Momentum leaflets calling for the deselection of Labour MPs who are undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 2. Ruth Smeeth is a Labour MP who is undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 3. Ruth Smeeth backed Yvette Cooper in the 2015 Labour Leadership Election 4. Ruth Smeeth resigned from the Labour Shadow Cabinet in protest of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership 5. Ruth Smeeth has not denied that a Telegraph Journalist asked Wadsworth for the leaflet and then handed the leaflet to Ruth Smeeth. 6. Ruth Smeeth left the meeting and was followed out of the room by the Telegraph Journalist. Marc Wadsworth's comments were in response to comments made by the Telegraph Journalist who chose to talk about someone handing out Momentum leaflets when she should have been asking a question about the Chakrabarti report. She was one of a string of journalists who were ignoring the purpose of the meeting - the Chakrabarti report - and were using the Q&A session to attack Jeremy Corbyn. And Marc Wadsworth was responding to that. Smeeth is an MP where Wadsworth is just a party member so after reading an eye witness account, listening to the video, looking at Smeeth's political background history, i'm of the opinion they got this wrong. By Smeeth accusing him of racism for what he said about her and the Telegraph she has shown herself to be at best very silly or at worst having an agenda. If Wadsworth decides to pursue this further it seems to me that any half decent lawyer would not have great difficulty in challenging the case against him. I find this is a strange case Paul. Maybe his dismissal for bringing the party into disrepute was all they could get him on. Having viewed the video of him saying the words that caused offence and read a few reports from diverse sections of the media I think there could be more to this when taken in context. He knew that the journalist wrote for the “Torygraph” and claims not to know Smeeth is Jewish. Is he telling the truth that he did not know she is Jewish? If it is not the truth was he making a deliberate suggestion that a Labour MP who is Jew may be a conspirator who is not averse to collusion with the right-wing press to bring down people they don’t like in the Labour party? That’s a smear which is a little too close to an idea propagated by anti-Semites that Jews can’t be trusted because you think they’re your friend but they conspire in an underhand way with your enemies. Not all anti-Semites and racists are so daft that they denigrate their targets overtly. Often when they do criticise them overtly they are inclined to characterise their statements as “fact” not racism just like Ken Livingston did. It’s a crude and disingenuous tactic so not everyone is fooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-04-29 11:56 AM Bulletguy - 2018-04-28 3:29 PM antony1969 - 2018-04-28 6:26 AM Youve asked me to post his "anti-Semitic remark" ... I never said he made one did I ??? ... It was his behaviour at an anti-Semitic event ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/27/labour-activist-marc-wadsworth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row ... Your Bible not mine so it must be right ... He says Corbyn or his office rang to offer him support , Corbyn or his office have said they did no such thing so either way someone in Labour is lying ... Stop defending vile racists No, i asked you to point specifically to what the antisemitic remark was and you couldn't because truth is Antony he never made any at all and if you'd listened to the video clip it's clear for anyone to hear that he didn't. Typically you seized on this snippet of wild conjecture to go off on a crackpot rant because you are are in a dilemma over factual reports on Windrush which is spreading like a curse on government....very ugly truths you are unable to deal with so you see this as a convenient attempt at deflection. So there is no racism to defend at all.......because there never was any and that's what has made this incident so ludicrous. The following is from an eye witness at the actual meeting; "Shami Chakrabarti invited members of the press... to ask questions... not one of them asked about the report itself, or about antisemitism. Instead they abused the privilege of being invited to ask questions by pressing Jeremy Corbyn about extraneous Labour leadership issues, and allegations about Momentum and “Trotskyists”. The tone was set by a Daily Telegraph reporter (Kate McCann) who referred to someone present who had been handing out Momentum leaflets before the formal event began. I never saw these leaflets. As the exchanges became more tetchy... it became apparent that the leaflet incident concerned Marc Wadsworth, who was standing just behind where I was sitting... Wadsworth made a remark about the Daily Telegraph journalist, whom he said had passed a press release to Labour MP Ruth Smeeth before the meeting. In the meeting Smeeth was sitting not far from the Telegraph journalist (and in clear view of myself). Wadsworth added: “We can see who is working hand in hand.” Smeeth... looked alarmed by Wadsworth’s comments, and said, 'How dare you?' The audience turned towards her and Wadsworth, irritated that a private argument was distracting from the the launch of an important report. Smeeth stood up and calmly walked out, followed soon afterwards by Kate McCann, the Daily Telegraph reporter. I was absolutely astonished to hear and read news reports just hours after this event... which claimed that Ruth Smeeth MP had walked out of the event in tears and that there had been an antisemitic incident at the launch of the report from the Labour Party’s inquiry into antisemitism. I had not witnessed any such incident and she did not walk out in tears. And a timeline to put the matter further into perspective. 1. Wadsworth was handing out Momentum leaflets calling for the deselection of Labour MPs who are undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 2. Ruth Smeeth is a Labour MP who is undermining Jeremy Corbyn. 3. Ruth Smeeth backed Yvette Cooper in the 2015 Labour Leadership Election 4. Ruth Smeeth resigned from the Labour Shadow Cabinet in protest of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership 5. Ruth Smeeth has not denied that a Telegraph Journalist asked Wadsworth for the leaflet and then handed the leaflet to Ruth Smeeth. 6. Ruth Smeeth left the meeting and was followed out of the room by the Telegraph Journalist. Marc Wadsworth's comments were in response to comments made by the Telegraph Journalist who chose to talk about someone handing out Momentum leaflets when she should have been asking a question about the Chakrabarti report. She was one of a string of journalists who were ignoring the purpose of the meeting - the Chakrabarti report - and were using the Q&A session to attack Jeremy Corbyn. And Marc Wadsworth was responding to that. Smeeth is an MP where Wadsworth is just a party member so after reading an eye witness account, listening to the video, looking at Smeeth's political background history, i'm of the opinion they got this wrong. By Smeeth accusing him of racism for what he said about her and the Telegraph she has shown herself to be at best very silly or at worst having an agenda. If Wadsworth decides to pursue this further it seems to me that any half decent lawyer would not have great difficulty in challenging the case against him. I find this is a strange case Paul. Maybe his dismissal for bringing the party into disrepute was all they could get him on. Having viewed the video of him saying the words that caused offence and read a few reports from diverse sections of the media I think there could be more to this when taken in context. He knew that the journalist wrote for the “Torygraph” and claims not to know Smeeth is Jewish. Is he telling the truth that he did not know she is Jewish? If it is not the truth was he making a deliberate suggestion that a Labour MP who is Jew may be a conspirator who is not averse to collusion with the right-wing press to bring down people they don’t like in the Labour party? That’s a smear which is a little too close to an idea propagated by anti-Semites that Jews can’t be trusted because you think they’re your friend but they conspire in an underhand way with your enemies. Not all anti-Semites and racists are so daft that they denigrate their targets overtly. Often when they do criticise them overtly they are inclined to characterise their statements as “fact” not racism just like Ken Livingston did. It’s a crude and disingenuous tactic so not everyone is fooled. As we know Wadsworth, a Labour party member wasn't expelled for making any antisemitic remark but "bringing the party into disrepute" which is a broad 'cover all' which could be anything. Another point a lot seem to forget is even though Corbyn is the party leader, it's the NEC who members are answerable to and it's them who chucked him out. What i, and actually many many others (from reading various forums) see as 'odd' is Wadsworth's words were, "we can see who is working hand in hand", referring to a right wing reporter handing Smeeth one of Wadsworth's flyers he'd been handing out. Smeeth and the reporter sat together at the conference. So what concerns me there is are we actually now saying a political party member using the words "we can see who is working hand in hand" (with right wing media) is enough for someone to jump on the race card and scream 'antisemitism'? I don't think it's remotely near enough! In fact i'm not surprised to hear that some Jewish party members feel it quite patronising toward them. They are well aware there has been bitter infighting among the ranks particularly during their leadership election....of which Smeeth supported Cooper who ran against Corbyn so it's clear that Smeeth is not 'favourable' toward JC, and it's an established fact right wing media have been running a vicious smear campaign against Corbyn over antisemitism. It's interesting to note that they concentrate specifically on that alone....not racism per se, but antisemitism, airbrushing over the existence of racism as a whole within the Tory party....much of which goes unchallenged. Tory MP Bob Blackman simply apologised after endorsing Islamophopbia on his Facebook account from a racist website about a Muslim sex gang stating "raping white children is part of their culture"....(context is important) and retweeting tweets from Tommy Robinson. We have Johnson who referred to African people from Commonwealth countries as "flag waving piccanninies", a blatant racist slur, yet he got promoted to Foreign Secretary! He also accused “part Kenyan” then US president Barack Obama of being anti-British because of the country’s colonial history and described blacks as having lower IQs and the African American NBA player as "a freak of sorts… with arms hanging lower than its knees, its tongue permanently sticking out, an incessantly trash-talking thug".Another Tory MP who made reference to "niggers in a woodpile"...merely suspended but reinstated after she apologised. The lists are endless and easily sourced but that tells an awful lot about the mindset which exists within a party now facing a very serious political crisis which has brought deep shame on this country. Reading up on their background, Wadsworth who is openly a party activist, is actually the least likely antisemite racist having done considerable work in race awareness. It was mentioned in one media report Wadsworth not only didn't know who Smeeth was, but neither did he know she was Jewish. I don't find that difficult to believe actually seeing as Smeeth is MP for Stoke-on-Trent North.....a constituency which is little more than 15 miles away from me yet i'd never heard of her until a few days ago! And apparently she's been their MP for three years. Much of what's appeared in media reports has been exaggerated, ie it was said Smeeth "left the room in tears" yet it was clear on the clip she hadn't. The NEC have made their decision but in my opinion if Wadsworth decides to pursue the matter on a legal basis i have little doubt a lawyer would have much problem in quashing their charge. There is undoubtedly a rising surge of antisemitism but i'm staggered people cannot see exactly what is fueling it and where it's coming from.....astonishingly even from within their own 'ranks' (for want of description). Jonathan Arkush, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews sparked fury among other Jews when he congratulated Trump. This triggered a multitude of angry reactions, many alluding to the vitriolic antisemitic discourse unleashed during the campaign. “Trump mainstreams antisemites in a way unseen since the Nazis and you congratulate him? Revolting,” responded Aaron Simons. Dr. Ruvi Ziegler Tweeted: “What does an organization representing British Jewry congratulate this vile man endorsed by the KKK? https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/UK-Jewish-leaders-congratulatory-message-to-Trump-sparks-ire-472153 The far right rejoiced over the success of Hungary's Viktor Orban in the recent elections, a known antisemite they have no problem in vocally supporting, yet voice their 'concern' over antisemitism in Labour. It's easy to see why i believe that 'concern' is not genuine at all but totally false and hypocritical. https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-orban-blames-all-of-hungary-s-problems-on-a-jew-and-wins-big-1.5980517 http://jewishjournal.com/cover_story/221902/hungarys-jews-crosshairs/ Keep a watch on the right wing as that's where it's coming from. Not only in Europe but also the US. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-austria-antisemitism/jewish-leader-attacks-austrian-far-right-as-anti-semitism-cases-increase-idUKKCN1FZ1ZH https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/167478-180212-far-right-extremists-behind-majority-of-anti-semitic-crimes-in-germany-report http://www.theweek.co.uk/91958/anti-semitic-incidents-in-us-hit-two-decade-high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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