Bulletguy Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:44 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 12:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:30 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 12:25 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:16 PM Given that we have been a net contributor to the EU for 40 years I'd say it's the EU that owes us >:-) .......... When I've toured in the U.K. over the years I've always been impressed by the number of projects, from Lands End to John O'Groats ( plus the Outer Hebrides ) - that have been sponsored or supported by the E.U. I am aware that in most cases they are giving us some of our own money back, but I've no doubt that support for such projects will end once we have left the E.U. :-( Not most cases ALL cases ;-) ............Because we are NET contributors >:-) .......... I take it you are not concerned about the continued funding of any future ( or existing ) projects around the U.K. then ? :-| We can continue to fund our own projects ;-) .................We always have done >:-) ........... No we haven't. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/21/uks-status-as-science-superpower-at-risk-after-brexit-warn-mps https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731720-800-brexit-batters-science-job-market/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/ https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7847 https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/role-of-EU-in-funding-UK-research/how-much-funding-does-uk-get-in-comparison-with-other-countries/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 1:10 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:44 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 12:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:30 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 12:25 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:16 PM Given that we have been a net contributor to the EU for 40 years I'd say it's the EU that owes us >:-) .......... When I've toured in the U.K. over the years I've always been impressed by the number of projects, from Lands End to John O'Groats ( plus the Outer Hebrides ) - that have been sponsored or supported by the E.U. I am aware that in most cases they are giving us some of our own money back, but I've no doubt that support for such projects will end once we have left the E.U. :-( Not most cases ALL cases ;-) ............Because we are NET contributors >:-) .......... I take it you are not concerned about the continued funding of any future ( or existing ) projects around the U.K. then ? :-| We can continue to fund our own projects ;-) .................We always have done >:-) ........... No we haven't. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/21/uks-status-as-science-superpower-at-risk-after-brexit-warn-mps https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731720-800-brexit-batters-science-job-market/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/ https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7847 https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/role-of-EU-in-funding-UK-research/how-much-funding-does-uk-get-in-comparison-with-other-countries/ Which bit of being a NET contributor don't you understand? *-) ........... All your links suggest is that the sciences get the biggest share of OUR money back ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 3:09 PM Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 1:10 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:44 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 12:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:30 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 12:25 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:16 PM Given that we have been a net contributor to the EU for 40 years I'd say it's the EU that owes us >:-) .......... When I've toured in the U.K. over the years I've always been impressed by the number of projects, from Lands End to John O'Groats ( plus the Outer Hebrides ) - that have been sponsored or supported by the E.U. I am aware that in most cases they are giving us some of our own money back, but I've no doubt that support for such projects will end once we have left the E.U. :-( Not most cases ALL cases ;-) ............Because we are NET contributors >:-) .......... I take it you are not concerned about the continued funding of any future ( or existing ) projects around the U.K. then ? :-| We can continue to fund our own projects ;-) .................We always have done >:-) ........... No we haven't. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/21/uks-status-as-science-superpower-at-risk-after-brexit-warn-mps https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731720-800-brexit-batters-science-job-market/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/ https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7847 https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/role-of-EU-in-funding-UK-research/how-much-funding-does-uk-get-in-comparison-with-other-countries/ Which bit of being a NET contributor don't you understand? *-) ........... Which bit of net BENEFICIARIES don't you understand? All your links suggest is that the sciences get the biggest share of OUR money back ;-) ......... Rubbish. I can see why you fell for the £350m lie on that big red bus! *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 3:38 PM Rubbish. I can see why you fell for the £350m lie on that big red bus! *-) Really? ;-) ........... "The UK is one of the largest recipients of research funding in the EU. Over the period 2007 – 2013 the UK received €8.8 billion out of a total of €107 billion expenditure on research, development and innovation in EU Member States, associated and third countries. This represents the fourth largest share in the EU." So over a period of "6" years the EU gave the UK 8.8 billion for research........... Our contribution to the EU is 19 billion a "YEAR" >:-) ............. https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/role-of-EU-in-funding-UK-research/how-much-funding-does-uk-get-in-comparison-with-other-countries/ So the bus was actually correct as that £350 million a week includes the money the EU gives us back for research (lol) (lol) (lol) ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:08 AM...…………………. As I understand it Mrs May say's "we" will not put in border controls ;-) ........... So if we don't then who will...........The Irish?..........The EU? >:-) ..................... Can you show me a land border anywhere outside the EU where there are no border controls? Just askin! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-07-21 7:26 AM Barryd999 - 2018-07-20 9:31 PM There is no way to solve the Irish border problem without single market and cu membership or in other words staying in the EU. no deal just can't be allowed to happen and there would be no majority to allow it in parliament but at the same time there is total impasse and they are never going to agree. I can see a real possibility that despite what they have said they will have to go back to the people as the Brexit they signed up for which remember included a super deal with all the benefits we have now is basically undeliverable. I dunno what the options would be. Remain or leave with no deal I guess. It's just possible that could backfire though although I doubt it once people realise they were conned in the first place but the media of course will try and fool them again with cries of project fear, traitors, betrayal Etc but I don't think the public are completely stupid. Lordy ... "go back to the people ... undeliverable ... conned ... completely stupid" ... Thats without "the media of course will try and fool them again" ... What a patronising post When even a BBC presenter gets it you know your in trouble ... Its not patronising at all its just the truth. Most people dont have a clue about Brexit and there is no point in pretending they do. That probably goes for Remainers as well as Brexiteers. What I do know though is I am sure people voted for what was being promised at the time which included statements like "nobody is threatening our single market membership", "We can be like Norway", "Easiest deal n History", "We will be better off out of the EU", I could go on but the point is nobody voted to be poorer I am sure and many voted assuming we would be getting a trade deal with all or most of the benefits we have now. That was the sell which is why if there is a no deal situation it should be the public that decides if its what they really want. Yes we had a referendum but a leave vote was not a vote for a crash and burn brexit for sure. Truth is we dont know what people voted for exactly but I bet it wasnt this so once there are only two options on the table if there is no deal (remain or crash) the only choice is to let the public decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:44 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:08 AM...…………………. As I understand it Mrs May say's "we" will not put in border controls ;-) ........... So if we don't then who will...........The Irish?..........The EU? >:-) ..................... Can you show me a land border anywhere outside the EU where there are no border controls? Just askin! :-D So that'll be the Irish/EU installing it then >:-) ..........Not us ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:09 PM....................Its a risk I'm prepared to take ;-) ......... No doubt you are. But you are not the only person who might be affected. What about those who are affected. Have you taken account of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-22 11:50 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:44 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:08 AM...…………………. As I understand it Mrs May say's "we" will not put in border controls ;-) ........... So if we don't then who will...........The Irish?..........The EU? >:-) ..................... Can you show me a land border anywhere outside the EU where there are no border controls? Just askin! :-D So that'll be the Irish/EU installing it then >:-) ..........Not us ;-) ........ And you really think that would make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 1:05 PM.................He believes UK Gov have a magic money tree in Downing St that any PM can just shake anytime and billions of £'s simply fall off like confetti. *-) No. That tree belongs to Jeremy. The Conservatives only have a bonsai tree they keep snipping bits off. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:44 PM...…………….We can continue to fund our own projects ;-) .................We all ways have done >:-) ........... Really? Which projects are those, Dave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:55 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-22 11:50 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:44 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:08 AM...…………………. As I understand it Mrs May say's "we" will not put in border controls ;-) ........... So if we don't then who will...........The Irish?..........The EU? >:-) ..................... Can you show me a land border anywhere outside the EU where there are no border controls? Just askin! :-D So that'll be the Irish/EU installing it then >:-) ..........Not us ;-) ........ And you really think that would make a difference? Only to where the IRA plant their bombs if your scaremongering is to be believed >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:02 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:44 PM...…………….We can continue to fund our own projects ;-) .................We all ways have done >:-) ........... Really? Which projects are those, Dave? The ones in the UK that we currently fund now with our "OWN" money ;-) ........... If "WE" decide they're worthwhile......... not some EU numpty >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:13 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-21 7:48 AM antony1969 - 2018-07-21 7:23 AM......……………….. Talking up the threat from the return of Irish terrorism doesnt mean its likely or will happen Not talking it up, Antony, just recognising it. Failing to sort out the border raises the risk. OTOH, talking it down definitely doesn't mean it won't happen. It's just an inconvenient truth, isn't it? Which bit of Mrs May saying "we will not establish a hard border" are you struggling to comprehend Brian? *-) ...........If the Irish install a hard border then that's they're problem >:-) ........ Oh, I understand what she says Dave. I'm going to make water flow uphill. You believe that, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:06 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:13 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-21 7:48 AM antony1969 - 2018-07-21 7:23 AM......……………….. Talking up the threat from the return of Irish terrorism doesnt mean its likely or will happen Not talking it up, Antony, just recognising it. Failing to sort out the border raises the risk. OTOH, talking it down definitely doesn't mean it won't happen. It's just an inconvenient truth, isn't it? Which bit of Mrs May saying "we will not establish a hard border" are you struggling to comprehend Brian? *-) ...........If the Irish install a hard border then that's they're problem >:-) ........ Oh, I understand what she says Dave. I'm going to make water flow uphill. You believe that, don't you? Now your just getting desperate Brian (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-22 12:03 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:55 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-22 11:50 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:44 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:08 AM...…………………. As I understand it Mrs May say's "we" will not put in border controls ;-) ........... So if we don't then who will...........The Irish?..........The EU? >:-) ..................... Can you show me a land border anywhere outside the EU where there are no border controls? Just askin! :-D So that'll be the Irish/EU installing it then >:-) ..........Not us ;-) ........ And you really think that would make a difference? Only to where the IRA plant their bombs if your scaremongering is to be believed >:-) .......... And you believe that too? Oh dear. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:11 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-22 12:03 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:55 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-22 11:50 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 11:44 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:08 AM...…………………. As I understand it Mrs May say's "we" will not put in border controls ;-) ........... So if we don't then who will...........The Irish?..........The EU? >:-) ..................... Can you show me a land border anywhere outside the EU where there are no border controls? Just askin! :-D So that'll be the Irish/EU installing it then >:-) ..........Not us ;-) ........ And you really think that would make a difference? Only to where the IRA plant their bombs if your scaremongering is to be believed >:-) .......... And you believe that too? Oh dear. :-( Of course I don't *-) .......... It's just pure Remoaner scaremongering, like the immediate recession we were supposed to have (lol) .......... Only another 250 days to go until your nightmare becomes reality Brian :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-22 12:09 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:06 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:13 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-21 7:48 AM antony1969 - 2018-07-21 7:23 AM......……………….. Talking up the threat from the return of Irish terrorism doesnt mean its likely or will happen Not talking it up, Antony, just recognising it. Failing to sort out the border raises the risk. OTOH, talking it down definitely doesn't mean it won't happen. It's just an inconvenient truth, isn't it? Which bit of Mrs May saying "we will not establish a hard border" are you struggling to comprehend Brian? *-) ...........If the Irish install a hard border then that's they're problem >:-) ........ Oh, I understand what she says Dave. I'm going to make water flow uphill. You believe that, don't you? Now your just getting desperate Brian (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... There you are then. Dave Pelmet believes everything Theresa May says. God's in his heaven, all's right with the world. You've never been able to spot where politicians' pronouncements collide with reality, have you? They all think they can make the impossible possible by talking about it, that is why people vote for them. Then, reality intervenes. What did MacMillan say? Events, dear boy, events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-22 12:06 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:02 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:44 PM...…………….We can continue to fund our own projects ;-) .................We all ways have done >:-) ........... Really? Which projects are those, Dave? The ones in the UK that we currently fund now with our "OWN" money ;-) ........... If "WE" decide they're worthwhile......... not some EU numpty >:-) ....... Is the wrong answer, Dave, because it doesn't answer the question. Which projects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:24 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-22 12:09 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:06 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:13 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-21 7:48 AM antony1969 - 2018-07-21 7:23 AM......……………….. Talking up the threat from the return of Irish terrorism doesnt mean its likely or will happen Not talking it up, Antony, just recognising it. Failing to sort out the border raises the risk. OTOH, talking it down definitely doesn't mean it won't happen. It's just an inconvenient truth, isn't it? Which bit of Mrs May saying "we will not establish a hard border" are you struggling to comprehend Brian? *-) ...........If the Irish install a hard border then that's they're problem >:-) ........ Oh, I understand what she says Dave. I'm going to make water flow uphill. You believe that, don't you? Now your just getting desperate Brian (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... There you are then. Dave Pelmet believes everything Theresa May says. God's in his heaven, all's right with the world. You've never been able to spot where politicians' pronouncements collide with reality, have you? They all think they can make the impossible possible by talking about it, that is why people vote for them. Then, reality intervenes. What did MacMillan say? Events, dear boy, events? So are the EU going to MAKE us install a border? ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:26 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-22 12:06 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 12:02 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:44 PM...…………….We can continue to fund our own projects ;-) .................We all ways have done >:-) ........... Really? Which projects are those, Dave? The ones in the UK that we currently fund now with our "OWN" money ;-) ........... If "WE" decide they're worthwhile......... not some EU numpty >:-) ....... Is the wrong answer, Dave, because it doesn't answer the question. Which projects? Any projects in the UK that WE in the UK decide are worthwhile :-| .......... Dunno how much clearer I can make it *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Day 243......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-6002877/Americas-firms-warn-investors-Brexit-piling-pressure-Number-10.html Oh dear >:-) ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-29 5:36 PM Day 243......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-6002877/Americas-firms-warn-investors-Brexit-piling-pressure-Number-10.html Oh dear >:-) ............. It's early for me Dave but I'm struggling to see where your Brexit good news story is here. Please enlighten me in your best Dave Pelmet world viewpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-07-30 7:22 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-29 5:36 PM Day 243......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-6002877/Americas-firms-warn-investors-Brexit-piling-pressure-Number-10.html Oh dear >:-) ............. It's early for me Dave but I'm struggling to see where your Brexit good news story is here. Please enlighten me in your best Dave Pelmet world viewpoint No "you" wouldn't.........Where as I see it as another example of just how important little Ol Britain is to the world economy >:-) ........... Kinda proves the big companies need "us" consumers more than we need them don't you think? ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-30 8:15 AM Barryd999 - 2018-07-30 7:22 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-29 5:36 PM Day 243......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-6002877/Americas-firms-warn-investors-Brexit-piling-pressure-Number-10.html Oh dear >:-) ............. It's early for me Dave but I'm struggling to see where your Brexit good news story is here. Please enlighten me in your best Dave Pelmet world viewpoint No "you" wouldn't.........Where as I see it as another example of just how important little Ol Britain is to the world economy >:-) ........... Kinda proves the big companies need "us" consumers more than we need them don't you think? ;-) ........... I have read it three times over Dave and all I find is the argument that uncertainty over Brexit is bad for business and that there are fears that Brexit may result in a global economic downturn. It seems that Britain being "important to the world economy" matters to you more than our economic prosperity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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