Barryd999 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The Japanese culture when it comes to decision making is extremely diplomatic. How is a company that is 75% reliant on components from the EU which will also be hit by WTO tariffs of 10% on cars and 4.5% on components not going to be impacted by Brexit? Yeah sure Brexit had nothing to do with it. *-) "Industry experts say Brexit also played a huge role in the decision. “I have listened to several Honda senior executives [at a recent industry event] saying that membership of the [EU] customs union was needed for them to operate in the UK … This should not come as a surprise to anyone who took the industry warnings seriously,” according to Oxford professor Matthias Holweg, who specialises in manufacturing and operations management." https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/honda-blames-electric-car-push-cutting-3500-jobs-swindon-factory-082126410.html?guccounter=1 I suspect the truth will come out in the coming days / weeks. All that is happening right now to manufacturing and the automotive industry was predicted back in 2016 and dismissed as project fear. Now its undeniably coming true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Even when the Brexit bitches are told by the officials at Honda this has nothing to do with Brexit the Brexit bitches scream it is ... What Honda have to gain from some kind of Brexit blaming cover up only God or the bitches know ... Lordy what have these people become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 10:28 PM People certainly won't be buying so readily with increased tariffs.... So that's another Brexit bonus for the climate :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-19 11:15 PM The Japanese culture when it comes to decision making is extremely diplomatic. How is a company that is 75% reliant on components from the EU which will also be hit by WTO tariffs of 10% on cars and 4.5% on components not going to be impacted by Brexit? Yeah sure Brexit had nothing to do with it. *-) So why aren't they moving it to the EU?..........and why are they closing their Turkish factory? ;-) ......... Nice try Barry but your Remoaner biased argument is complete TOSH *-) ......... Unless of course Brexit is responsible for the GLOBAL DOWNTURN in the car industry? (lol) ......... Who'd of thought us Brexiteers had so much power eh? B-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Okay, I give in. I'm happy to accept that it is just a ridiculous coincidence that all these companies are leaving the UK just at the same time that we are leaving the EU. That £800 billion of assets being moved to the EU is merely small change dropped down the sofa and isn't linked in any way either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-20 7:47 AM Okay, I give in. I'm happy to accept that it is just a ridiculous coincidence that all these companies are leaving the UK just at the same time that we are leaving the EU. That £800 billion of assets being moved to the EU is merely small change dropped down the sofa and isn't linked in any way either. All these companies???...........Perhaps you can list them??? ;-) .......... As Bullet & BK haven't been able to :-S ....... It would be interesting to know just how many of the 1.9 million UK companies are relocating completely to the EU? :D ........... Otherwise its just more Remoaner FAKE NEWS? >:-) ....... Ooop's my mistake :$........... "There were 5.7 million SMEs in the UK in 2018, which was over 99% of all businesses" file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/SN06152.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek pringle Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Hi, I personally do not think it matters why they are closing Honda at Swindon. I say this because the declared reasons may have other underlying reasons we would never know about. My concern is solely for the people affected. One guy on tv last night pointed about a dozen of his family all going to lose their jobs. You will now get politicians telling them their are lots of job vacancies in the country now but how would any one of us like losing a skilled well paid job like theirs and face taking employment at the rates and terms of what seems on offer to the unemployed in todays Britain. Swindon may become one of those towns like the mining areas became after their decimation. M.P's---- at the moment are about as much use as a pocket in a shirt and if any section of employment needs trimming down it is Parliament. cheers derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-20 7:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-19 11:15 PM The Japanese culture when it comes to decision making is extremely diplomatic. How is a company that is 75% reliant on components from the EU which will also be hit by WTO tariffs of 10% on cars and 4.5% on components not going to be impacted by Brexit? Yeah sure Brexit had nothing to do with it. *-) So why aren't they moving it to the EU?..........and why are they closing their Turkish factory? ;-) ......... Nice try Barry but your Remoaner biased argument is complete TOSH *-) ......... Unless of course Brexit is responsible for the GLOBAL DOWNTURN in the car industry? (lol) ......... Who'd of thought us Brexiteers had so much power eh? B-) ............ It's not closing Turkey, it just stopping a model https://www.dailysabah.com/automotive/2019/02/18/honda-to-close-uk-car-plant-but-maintain-turkey-operations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-20 8:50 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-20 7:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-19 11:15 PM The Japanese culture when it comes to decision making is extremely diplomatic. How is a company that is 75% reliant on components from the EU which will also be hit by WTO tariffs of 10% on cars and 4.5% on components not going to be impacted by Brexit? Yeah sure Brexit had nothing to do with it. *-) So why aren't they moving it to the EU?..........and why are they closing their Turkish factory? ;-) ......... Nice try Barry but your Remoaner biased argument is complete TOSH *-) ......... Unless of course Brexit is responsible for the GLOBAL DOWNTURN in the car industry? (lol) ......... Who'd of thought us Brexiteers had so much power eh? B-) ............ It's not closing Turkey, it just stopping a model https://www.dailysabah.com/automotive/2019/02/18/honda-to-close-uk-car-plant-but-maintain-turkey-operations Which means they're stopping car production in Turkey as they are in the UK *-) ............ What does maintain operations mean? ;-) .......... Keeping dealerships open?.........well if that's the case, then they'll be maintaining operations in the UK to :D ........ Alternatively they could be planning on stock piling their Japanese made motors there :-| ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 derek pringle - 2019-02-20 8:49 AM Hi, I personally do not think it matters why they are closing Honda at Swindon. I say this because the declared reasons may have other underlying reasons we would never know about. You mean like a global downturn in the automotive industry? :-S ........... It appears that's only breaking news to Remoaners 8-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-20 7:47 AM Okay, I give in. I'm happy to accept that it is just a ridiculous coincidence that all these companies are leaving the UK just at the same time that we are leaving the EU. That £800 billion of assets being moved to the EU is merely small change dropped down the sofa and isn't linked in any way either. Very noble of you considering this topic is about Honda as has no connection with any other company, nice try at obfuscation but you will need to do better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-20 7:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-19 11:15 PM The Japanese culture when it comes to decision making is extremely diplomatic. How is a company that is 75% reliant on components from the EU which will also be hit by WTO tariffs of 10% on cars and 4.5% on components not going to be impacted by Brexit? Yeah sure Brexit had nothing to do with it. *-) So why aren't they moving it to the EU?..........and why are they closing their Turkish factory? ;-) ......... Nice try Barry but your Remoaner biased argument is complete TOSH *-) ......... Unless of course Brexit is responsible for the GLOBAL DOWNTURN in the car industry? (lol) ......... Who'd of thought us Brexiteers had so much power eh? B-) ............ They dont need to. Japan now has a trade deal with the EU. Turkey isnt shutting down. This could be the tip of the Iceberg. There are More than 1,000 Japanese firms that together employ about 140,000 people in Britain in manufacturing, pharmaceuticals and financial services. Lets hope they dont all clear off as well huh? If there is a snowballing Exodus how long do you think you can spout all day long from your van in Spain that its nothing to do with Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Only a fool would say that none of the job losses are Brexited related, just as only a fool would say that every job loss is Brexit related. Due to the EU making Brexit as difficult as possible, the UK government's inability to resolve it is due in no small part to that EU intransigence. As many of us have always said, it will probably get worse before it gets better and once the dust settles I have confidence that the UK economy will bounce back, provided the government creates the right economic and taxation environment. Morons like the politically motivated Unite union and the Birmingham bin men ongoing strike do the case for inward UK investment in a stable economy no good whatsover and the Labour party is once again, as expected, very quiet on the subject despite, or maybe because of, Birmingham being a Labour controlled local authority. What a way to run a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Tracker - 2019-02-20 10:39 AM...…………...Due to the EU making Brexit as difficult as possible, the UK government's inability to resolve it is due in no small part to that EU intransigence...……….... People say this a lot. I have to say I don't see the evidence to support it. Can anyone cite instances of the EU making Brexit difficult, and suggest what they could have done to make it easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Tracker - 2019-02-20 10:39 AM Only a fool would say that none of the job losses are Brexited related, just as only a fool would say that every job loss is Brexit related. Due to the EU making Brexit as difficult as possible, the UK government's inability to resolve it is due in no small part to that EU intransigence. As many of us have always said, it will probably get worse before it gets better and once the dust settles I have confidence that the UK economy will bounce back, provided the government creates the right economic and taxation environment. Morons like the politically motivated Unite union and the Birmingham bin men ongoing strike do the case for inward UK investment in a stable economy no good whatsover and the Labour party is once again, as expected, very quiet on the subject despite, or maybe because of, Birmingham being a Labour controlled local authority. What a way to run a country. Agree with first paragraph disagree with second. Two things. We warned Brexiteers that Brexit would finish manufacturing and the automotive industry. They didnt believe us. We also warned them that the EU would not budge and allow us to have our cake and eat it. They didnt believe that either. The EU have not made Brexit difficult. They laid out their stall from the beginning as they must protect the single market. Brexiteers chose to gamble that they were bluffing and its (so far) not paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 11:04 AM Tracker - 2019-02-20 10:39 AM...…………...Due to the EU making Brexit as difficult as possible, the UK government's inability to resolve it is due in no small part to that EU intransigence...……….... People say this a lot. I have to say I don't see the evidence to support it. Can anyone cite instances of the EU making Brexit difficult, and suggest what they could have done to make it easier? For a start.......Making a issue of the NI border *-) .......... You'd think the EU didn't have any land borders with non EU countries with a issue of past violence :-| .......... It's funny how borders aren't a issue with current non EU Balkan states like Serbia and Co? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-20 11:08 AM Two things. We warned Brexiteers that Brexit would finish manufacturing and the automotive industry. They didnt believe us. We also warned them that the EU would not budge and allow us to have our cake and eat it. They didnt believe that either. The EU have not made Brexit difficult. They laid out their stall from the beginning as they must protect the single market. Brexiteers chose to gamble that they were bluffing and its (so far) not paid off. It wasn't just "us" warning them that Brexit would finish the UK manufacturing, the only economist that supported their wild statements, Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-20 10:24 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-20 7:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-19 11:15 PM The Japanese culture when it comes to decision making is extremely diplomatic. How is a company that is 75% reliant on components from the EU which will also be hit by WTO tariffs of 10% on cars and 4.5% on components not going to be impacted by Brexit? Yeah sure Brexit had nothing to do with it. *-) So why aren't they moving it to the EU?..........and why are they closing their Turkish factory? ;-) ......... Nice try Barry but your Remoaner biased argument is complete TOSH *-) ......... Unless of course Brexit is responsible for the GLOBAL DOWNTURN in the car industry? (lol) ......... Who'd of thought us Brexiteers had so much power eh? B-) ............ They dont need to. Japan now has a trade deal with the EU. Turkey isnt shutting down. So what Honda vehicles will be built in Turkey? >:-) ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-20 11:08 AM Tracker - 2019-02-20 10:39 AM Only a fool would say that none of the job losses are Brexited related, just as only a fool would say that every job loss is Brexit related. Due to the EU making Brexit as difficult as possible, the UK government's inability to resolve it is due in no small part to that EU intransigence. As many of us have always said, it will probably get worse before it gets better and once the dust settles I have confidence that the UK economy will bounce back, provided the government creates the right economic and taxation environment. Morons like the politically motivated Unite union and the Birmingham bin men ongoing strike do the case for inward UK investment in a stable economy no good whatsover and the Labour party is once again, as expected, very quiet on the subject despite, or maybe because of, Birmingham being a Labour controlled local authority. What a way to run a country. Agree with first paragraph disagree with second. Two things. We warned Brexiteers that Brexit would finish manufacturing and the automotive industry. They didnt believe us. We also warned them that the EU would not budge and allow us to have our cake and eat it. They didnt believe that either. The EU have not made Brexit difficult. They laid out their stall from the beginning as they must protect the single market. Brexiteers chose to gamble that they were bluffing and its (so far) not paid off. So us Brexiteers caused the global downturn in the car industry? ;-) .......... BTW do you have a list of those companies relocating to the EU? :-S ........ None of you Remoaners appear to be able to back up your FAKE NEWS with FACTS? (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-02-20 11:23 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-20 11:08 AM Two things. We warned Brexiteers that Brexit would finish manufacturing and the automotive industry. They didnt believe us. We also warned them that the EU would not budge and allow us to have our cake and eat it. They didnt believe that either. The EU have not made Brexit difficult. They laid out their stall from the beginning as they must protect the single market. Brexiteers chose to gamble that they were bluffing and its (so far) not paid off. It wasn't just "us" warning them that Brexit would finish the UK manufacturing, the only economist that supported their wild statements, Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” So that was due to Brexit to? (lol) ............. When are you going to start blaming the "enclosures act" on Brexit? :D ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-20 11:27 AM So what Honda vehicles will be built in Turkey? >:-) ............. Honda announced that they were closing the Swindon plant at the end the current Civics production run in two years time. "Honda also said it will stop making the CURRENT Civic Sedan model in Turkey but will continue business operations in the country." Spot the difference? One plant IS closing, One plant is remaining in operation - presumably making the new model to replace the Civic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-20 7:19 AM Barryd999 - 2019-02-19 11:15 PM The Japanese culture when it comes to decision making is extremely diplomatic. How is a company that is 75% reliant on components from the EU which will also be hit by WTO tariffs of 10% on cars and 4.5% on components not going to be impacted by Brexit? Yeah sure Brexit had nothing to do with it. *-) So why aren't they moving it to the EU?..........and why are they closing their Turkish factory? ;-) ......... Nice try Barry but your Remoaner biased argument is complete TOSH *-) ......... Except it's not "tosh" as this has been explained to you numerous times by myself and others on here until we're blue in the face. You seem to be up to your old trick of being disingenuous and obtuse purely for the sake of arguing as i cannot believe anyone could be so thick not to be able to understand a few basics which really are quite simple. In fact a Honda employee summed it up in a few words on the news this morning. Japan have fta's signed with the EU which UK are about to lose. Honda's biggest market is Europe. Like Dyson they're planning to build an all electric car. Why would you stay in a country which wants to cut itself off and sever ties with the very market you need access to for JIT supplies and sales? I'll make that even easier for you. Why has Dyson chose to build his car in Singapore and not UK? And no it's not "cheap labour" either as their average wage for skilled workers is pretty high. Also they have lot's of highly qualified IT and electronics workers. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/average-salary-2018-singapore-median-income-employment-10979844 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-20 11:08 AM Tracker - 2019-02-20 10:39 AM Only a fool would say that none of the job losses are Brexited related, just as only a fool would say that every job loss is Brexit related. Due to the EU making Brexit as difficult as possible, the UK government's inability to resolve it is due in no small part to that EU intransigence. As many of us have always said, it will probably get worse before it gets better and once the dust settles I have confidence that the UK economy will bounce back, provided the government creates the right economic and taxation environment. Morons like the politically motivated Unite union and the Birmingham bin men ongoing strike do the case for inward UK investment in a stable economy no good whatsover and the Labour party is once again, as expected, very quiet on the subject despite, or maybe because of, Birmingham being a Labour controlled local authority. What a way to run a country. Agree with first paragraph disagree with second. Two things. We warned Brexiteers that Brexit would finish manufacturing and the automotive industry. They didnt believe us. We also warned them that the EU would not budge and allow us to have our cake and eat it. They didnt believe that either. The EU have not made Brexit difficult. They laid out their stall from the beginning as they must protect the single market. Brexiteers chose to gamble that they were bluffing and its (so far) not paid off. Barry.....the writing was on the wall over three years back but May and her government didn't want to listen. The strongly worded report from Japan's foreign ministry says the firms might want to move "if EU laws cease to be applicable in the UK". It calls on Theresa May's government to deal with the companies' concerns in a "responsible manner". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37270372 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-20 11:34 AM Fast Pat - 2019-02-20 11:23 AM It wasn't just "us" warning them that Brexit would finish the UK manufacturing, the only economist that supported their wild statements, Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” So that was due to Brexit to? (lol) ............. When are you going to start blaming the "enclosures act" on Brexit? :D ...... Interesting that you totally ignored the statement from the "Brexiters economist", stating what the effect would be on the car industries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-20 11:21 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 11:04 AM Tracker - 2019-02-20 10:39 AM...…………...Due to the EU making Brexit as difficult as possible, the UK government's inability to resolve it is due in no small part to that EU intransigence...……….... People say this a lot. I have to say I don't see the evidence to support it. Can anyone cite instances of the EU making Brexit difficult, and suggest what they could have done to make it easier? 1 For a start.......Making a issue of the NI border *-) .......... 2 You'd think the EU didn't have any land borders with non EU countries with a issue of past violence :-| .......... It's funny how borders aren't a issue with current non EU Balkan states like Serbia and Co? >:-) .......... 1 They did not "make an issue" of the NI border. The NI border is not an issue while we are members of the EU. If we leave the EU, it becomes the external border of the EU, and not just Ireland. So, it is legally required to be a "hard" border. 2 They do, and they are "normal" land borders. They have security barriers, and customs and immigration checks. Go see, and stop fantasy tweeting form Spain! :-D Strange the government overlooked that little fact - seeing we've been in the EU, under those rules, for 45 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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