Birdbrain Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. Don't be daft....you know what his answer to that will be! Back on topic though, were staff falling over themselves to serve you in various hostelries you imbibed and were they all speaking in their mother tongue, English? Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 3:04 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the issue and your final comment confirms that "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... Pointless going on with ya, doesnt change the fact that where I have been there are plenty of folk to pull that "great British pint" regardless of the fairytale claim from the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 4:12 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. Don't be daft....you know what his answer to that will be! Back on topic though, were staff falling over themselves to serve you in various hostelries you imbibed and were they all speaking in their mother tongue, English? Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual. Talking of fairytale claims from the threads OP, I dont recall ever claiming "foreign workers incapable of speaking English" ... BG goes to Hollywood, yet again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:56 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 3:04 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the issue and your final comment confirms that "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... Pointless going on with ya, doesnt change the fact that where I have been there are plenty of folk to pull that "great British pint" regardless of the fairytale claim from the OP Ah I see, because you got served ok in Penrith which I already explained about there is no problem because of EU Staff shortages because of Brexit. 68% of Cumbrian business owners which is thousands by the way are simply making it up because they are anti Brexit like me. Glad we cleared that up. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:59 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 4:12 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. Don't be daft....you know what his answer to that will be! Back on topic though, were staff falling over themselves to serve you in various hostelries you imbibed and were they all speaking in their mother tongue, English? Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual. Talking of fairytale claims from the threads OP, I dont recall ever claiming "foreign workers incapable of speaking English" ... BG goes to Hollywood, yet again Had you learned reading and writing at nursery you'd have understood the post but because you obviously lack the skill to comprehend basic English it's beyond you. You just make yourself look a very silly little boy attempting to twist fm's posts out of context.....you aren't clever enough to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 5:08 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:56 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 3:04 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the issue and your final comment confirms that "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... Pointless going on with ya, doesnt change the fact that where I have been there are plenty of folk to pull that "great British pint" regardless of the fairytale claim from the OP Ah I see, because you got served ok in Penrith which I already explained about there is no problem because of EU Staff shortages because of Brexit. 68% of Cumbrian business owners which is thousands by the way are simply making it up because they are anti Brexit like me. Glad we cleared that up. *-) Seriously, whats wrong with you??? ... Concentrating just on the lakes in the past few weeks I have been served food and drinks in Penrith, Keswick, Pooley Bridge, Windermere, Derwent Water and Troutbeck Head with no issues ... I am posting up what I have experienced in those places in the lakes and you don't like that I am showing that the wild, Hollywood claim by the OP is just not true, maybe others have had different experiences??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 5:38 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:59 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 4:12 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. Don't be daft....you know what his answer to that will be! Back on topic though, were staff falling over themselves to serve you in various hostelries you imbibed and were they all speaking in their mother tongue, English? Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual. Talking of fairytale claims from the threads OP, I dont recall ever claiming "foreign workers incapable of speaking English" ... BG goes to Hollywood, yet again Had you learned reading and writing at nursery you'd have understood the post but because you obviously lack the skill to comprehend basic English it's beyond you. You just make yourself look a very silly little boy attempting to twist fm's posts out of context.....you aren't clever enough to do that. I dont have to be "clever" to show others what youve posted or claimed on here as your posts are there for all to see in black and white ... By the way losing the argument is one thing but insults and personal attacks are another so please keep it civil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:12 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 5:08 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:56 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 3:04 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the issue and your final comment confirms that "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... Pointless going on with ya, doesnt change the fact that where I have been there are plenty of folk to pull that "great British pint" regardless of the fairytale claim from the OP Ah I see, because you got served ok in Penrith which I already explained about there is no problem because of EU Staff shortages because of Brexit. 68% of Cumbrian business owners which is thousands by the way are simply making it up because they are anti Brexit like me. Glad we cleared that up. *-) Seriously, whats wrong with you??? ... Concentrating just on the lakes in the past few weeks I have been served food and drinks in Penrith, Keswick, Pooley Bridge, Windermere, Derwent Water and Troutbeck Head with no issues ... I am posting up what I have experienced in those places in the lakes and you don't like that I am showing that the wild, Hollywood claim by the OP is just not true, maybe others have had different experiences??? Whats wrong with me? (lol) Can you explain then why over two thirds of lake district business owners are desperately struggling with staff and why they are claiming its mainly because of Brexit? I bet they are all pesky remainers eh? Making it up. Jeez *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 6:34 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:12 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 5:08 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:56 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 3:04 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the issue and your final comment confirms that "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... Pointless going on with ya, doesnt change the fact that where I have been there are plenty of folk to pull that "great British pint" regardless of the fairytale claim from the OP Ah I see, because you got served ok in Penrith which I already explained about there is no problem because of EU Staff shortages because of Brexit. 68% of Cumbrian business owners which is thousands by the way are simply making it up because they are anti Brexit like me. Glad we cleared that up. *-) Seriously, whats wrong with you??? ... Concentrating just on the lakes in the past few weeks I have been served food and drinks in Penrith, Keswick, Pooley Bridge, Windermere, Derwent Water and Troutbeck Head with no issues ... I am posting up what I have experienced in those places in the lakes and you don't like that I am showing that the wild, Hollywood claim by the OP is just not true, maybe others have had different experiences??? Whats wrong with me? (lol) Can you explain then why over two thirds of lake district business owners are desperately struggling with staff and why they are claiming its mainly because of Brexit? I bet they are all pesky remainers eh? Making it up. Jeez *-) Chuckle ... Barry ignores I have had no issues getting my "great British pint" and more in the lakes ... Now you seem to be a little confused as you now say lake district business are struggling to employ staff "mainly" because of that nasty Brexit yet only a couple of posts ago you said "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... So your THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT according to lakes business owners isnt actually true ... Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the problem and anything else just isnt Barry ... Hate on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:15 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 5:38 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:59 PM Talking of fairytale claims from the threads OP, I dont recall ever claiming "foreign workers incapable of speaking English" ... BG goes to Hollywood, yet again Had you learned reading and writing at nursery you'd have understood the post but because you obviously lack the skill to comprehend basic English it's beyond you. You just make yourself look a very silly little boy attempting to twist fm's posts out of context.....you aren't clever enough to do that. I dont have to be "clever" to show others what youve posted or claimed on here as your posts are there for all to see in black and white ... Yes my posts are on here for all to see hence the reason everyone can see you selectively quoted just six words from a sentence and tried spinning it so lets have a look at that sentence in full so we have the correct context. "Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual." Now, to help you further i've bolded the important words you left out which gives context to exactly what i'd written rather than the selectively edited version you attempted to spin but failed, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 7:46 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:15 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 5:38 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:59 PM Talking of fairytale claims from the threads OP, I dont recall ever claiming "foreign workers incapable of speaking English" ... BG goes to Hollywood, yet again Had you learned reading and writing at nursery you'd have understood the post but because you obviously lack the skill to comprehend basic English it's beyond you. You just make yourself look a very silly little boy attempting to twist fm's posts out of context.....you aren't clever enough to do that. I dont have to be "clever" to show others what youve posted or claimed on here as your posts are there for all to see in black and white ... Yes my posts are on here for all to see hence the reason everyone can see you selectively quoted just six words from a sentence and tried spinning it so lets have a look at that sentence in full so we have the correct context. "Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual." Now, to help you further i've bolded the important words you left out which gives context to exactly what i'd written rather than the selectively edited version you attempted to spin but failed, as usual. As said earlier I dont need to be "clever" and I now also dont need to "spin" your words to show what you said, you have done that rather nicely for me ... You are as usual making yaself look a tad silly but please feel free to carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 8:38 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 7:46 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:15 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 5:38 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:59 PM Talking of fairytale claims from the threads OP, I dont recall ever claiming "foreign workers incapable of speaking English" ... BG goes to Hollywood, yet again Had you learned reading and writing at nursery you'd have understood the post but because you obviously lack the skill to comprehend basic English it's beyond you. You just make yourself look a very silly little boy attempting to twist fm's posts out of context.....you aren't clever enough to do that. I dont have to be "clever" to show others what youve posted or claimed on here as your posts are there for all to see in black and white ... Yes my posts are on here for all to see hence the reason everyone can see you selectively quoted just six words from a sentence and tried spinning it so lets have a look at that sentence in full so we have the correct context. "Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual." Now, to help you further i've bolded the important words you left out which gives context to exactly what i'd written rather than the selectively edited version you attempted to spin but failed, as usual. As said earlier I dont need to be "clever" and I now also dont need to "spin" your words to show what you said, you have done that rather nicely for me ... You are as usual making yaself look a tad silly but please feel free to carry on I corrected you and put you straight so no need get the humph. I know you won't get over it as you never do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 9:03 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 8:38 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 7:46 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:15 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-06 5:38 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:59 PM Talking of fairytale claims from the threads OP, I dont recall ever claiming "foreign workers incapable of speaking English" ... BG goes to Hollywood, yet again Had you learned reading and writing at nursery you'd have understood the post but because you obviously lack the skill to comprehend basic English it's beyond you. You just make yourself look a very silly little boy attempting to twist fm's posts out of context.....you aren't clever enough to do that. I dont have to be "clever" to show others what youve posted or claimed on here as your posts are there for all to see in black and white ... Yes my posts are on here for all to see hence the reason everyone can see you selectively quoted just six words from a sentence and tried spinning it so lets have a look at that sentence in full so we have the correct context. "Apparently the latter is important to Antony for some strange reason he appears to believe foreign workers incapable of speaking English, where in reality they speak better English than he does and in some case will be multi-lingual." Now, to help you further i've bolded the important words you left out which gives context to exactly what i'd written rather than the selectively edited version you attempted to spin but failed, as usual. As said earlier I dont need to be "clever" and I now also dont need to "spin" your words to show what you said, you have done that rather nicely for me ... You are as usual making yaself look a tad silly but please feel free to carry on I corrected you and put you straight so no need get the humph. I know you won't get over it as you never do. Looks like you have chosen to carry on then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:53 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 6:34 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:12 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 5:08 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:56 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 3:04 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the issue and your final comment confirms that "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... Pointless going on with ya, doesnt change the fact that where I have been there are plenty of folk to pull that "great British pint" regardless of the fairytale claim from the OP Ah I see, because you got served ok in Penrith which I already explained about there is no problem because of EU Staff shortages because of Brexit. 68% of Cumbrian business owners which is thousands by the way are simply making it up because they are anti Brexit like me. Glad we cleared that up. *-) Seriously, whats wrong with you??? ... Concentrating just on the lakes in the past few weeks I have been served food and drinks in Penrith, Keswick, Pooley Bridge, Windermere, Derwent Water and Troutbeck Head with no issues ... I am posting up what I have experienced in those places in the lakes and you don't like that I am showing that the wild, Hollywood claim by the OP is just not true, maybe others have had different experiences??? Whats wrong with me? (lol) Can you explain then why over two thirds of lake district business owners are desperately struggling with staff and why they are claiming its mainly because of Brexit? I bet they are all pesky remainers eh? Making it up. Jeez *-) Chuckle ... Barry ignores I have had no issues getting my "great British pint" and more in the lakes ... Now you seem to be a little confused as you now say lake district business are struggling to employ staff "mainly" because of that nasty Brexit yet only a couple of posts ago you said "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... So your THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT according to lakes business owners isnt actually true ... Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the problem and anything else just isnt Barry ... Hate on Chuckle. Sounding a bid desperate now, I threw you a bit of a bone there eh? Yes covid may have played a small part but ultimately its down to Brexit. Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Few Brexiteers can see his hypocrisy either. I've never been in one but apparently it's cheap prices? If so they'll have to start paying more for their pint if they want British bar staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-07 2:10 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Few Brexiteers can see his hypocrisy either. I've never been in one but apparently it's cheap prices? If so they'll have to start paying more for their pint if they want British bar staff. I went in one a couple of years back while out Christmas shopping in Darlington and waiting for my wife. Got bored so braved the local Brexit HQ Wetherpoons. They even had Brexit beer mats! It was grim. Full of red faced angry looking blokes. I just pretended to look all grumpy and Brexity although I almost ordered a Gin and Tonic which would have been a fatal mistake. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 CEO of St Austell Brewery in an open letter about the industries staff shortage crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:53 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 6:34 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 6:12 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 5:08 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 4:56 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 3:04 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 2:19 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 11:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 11:07 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 10:30 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 9:55 AM Barryd999 - 2021-06-06 9:26 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-06 7:08 AM "No one to serve your great British pint" update ... We were expecting to go very hungry and very thirsty in Penrith given the well informed warning on here by the OP but to our pleasant surprise though busy because of the beautiful weather The Board and Elbow managed very well to pull pints and serve food with what sounded like English staff ... Hoping to get back the lakes for a few days in a couple of weeks and then we have a music festival so more updates on the desperate situation to follow Like I said, Penrith is probably not so badly hit as its a large working town with a large (for Cumbria) "local" population. Did you go in any of the shops or bars? They will also be mainly staffed by locals, you can tell as they all have the same accent. (I can do a great Cumbrian accent by the way). The rest of the Lake District however is a different matter and you can deny there is a problem all you want but 68% of business owners say that there is. I know you know best as always but just take a look at the Penrith wiki link, concentrate on the opening line about the economy ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith,_Cumbria ... As for denying there is a problem, I havent ... I have simply offered what I have found out and about and that contradicts the OPs wild, Hollywood claim ... France and Germany seem to have a problem with hospitality workers n'all which you seem to want to ignore so I would "plead" with you as Brian puts it to look with "unbiased" Tory hate goggles and look at the bigger picture Yes it says "As a small market town relying quite heavily on the tourist trade, Penrith benefits from a mix of some high street chain stores and many small local specialist shops. However, many shops have given way to businesses such as banks, building societies and travel agents." Its still a working town with a population of 15000+ and very few foreign workers compared to other parts of the lake district. I practically had a second home there for years when I had a boat on Ullswater. I have lots of friends there so I know it well and the people. All the pubs, bars and hotels I used to frequent in the rest of the lake district were predominately staffed by Europeans. I think its something like 47% overall were European staff but in the areas away from the large towns like Penrith, Workington etc that percentage is or was much higher. Thats mainly where the issue now is and its mainly down to one thing, Brexit. I think thats you accepting Penrith relies "heavily on the tourist trade" ... As for "practically" living in Penrith, my daughter did live in Penrith for 4 years so maybe there aint much you can tell me about the pubs and eating out spots ... You blame supposed staffing shortages here in Blighty on "one thing"' Brexit, does the same apply to France and Germanys hospitality staff shortages??? Ask your daughter then if she agrees with what I said regarding Penrith. I bet she does. As for France and Germany, well according to your article you linked to it seems during lockdown a lot of workers in hospitality just found better jobs or had a rethink of professions. Thats potentially a double whammy for us then as if less foreign workers are wanting to work in hospitality and they cant come and work here anyway or dont want to due to our hostile environment that Brexit has created then it just makes the problem worse. Not sure what your point is, you could argue that London, Liverpool, Leeds are all working cities yet they rely heavily on tourists or those visiting for the day ... Your France/Germany/hostile environment/Brexit comment is just silliness ... Its clear you want Brexit to be the issue here for supposed staff shortages and in blinkered Barry world everything gets blamed on the Tories and Brexit Brexit is the issue here. Its all about geography with places like the lakes. They have next to zero unemployment but the jobs are in places that are too far for Brits to take them on and of course many of them are minimum wage. London, Liverpool and Leeds its not so much of an issue. If you go back through the Brexit wars threads you will find several from myself predicting this exact outcome for places like the Lake District. There will be other industry sectors and locations around the UK also effected. So my point is, no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it. Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the issue and your final comment confirms that "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... Pointless going on with ya, doesnt change the fact that where I have been there are plenty of folk to pull that "great British pint" regardless of the fairytale claim from the OP Ah I see, because you got served ok in Penrith which I already explained about there is no problem because of EU Staff shortages because of Brexit. 68% of Cumbrian business owners which is thousands by the way are simply making it up because they are anti Brexit like me. Glad we cleared that up. *-) Seriously, whats wrong with you??? ... Concentrating just on the lakes in the past few weeks I have been served food and drinks in Penrith, Keswick, Pooley Bridge, Windermere, Derwent Water and Troutbeck Head with no issues ... I am posting up what I have experienced in those places in the lakes and you don't like that I am showing that the wild, Hollywood claim by the OP is just not true, maybe others have had different experiences??? Whats wrong with me? (lol) Can you explain then why over two thirds of lake district business owners are desperately struggling with staff and why they are claiming its mainly because of Brexit? I bet they are all pesky remainers eh? Making it up. Jeez *-) Chuckle ... Barry ignores I have had no issues getting my "great British pint" and more in the lakes ... Now you seem to be a little confused as you now say lake district business are struggling to employ staff "mainly" because of that nasty Brexit yet only a couple of posts ago you said "no Brexit no problem. Thats all there is to it" ... So your THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT according to lakes business owners isnt actually true ... Like I said previously you want Brexit to be the problem and anything else just isnt Barry ... Hate on Chuckle. Sounding a bid desperate now, I threw you a bit of a bone there eh? Yes covid may have played a small part but ultimately its down to Brexit. Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. So you have gone from blaming Brexit 100% nailed on to covid might have had something to do with it??? ... Chuckle, und you want folk to take you seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 2:49 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-07 2:10 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Few Brexiteers can see his hypocrisy either. I've never been in one but apparently it's cheap prices? If so they'll have to start paying more for their pint if they want British bar staff. I went in one a couple of years back while out Christmas shopping in Darlington and waiting for my wife. Got bored so braved the local Brexit HQ Wetherpoons. They even had Brexit beer mats! It was grim. Full of red faced angry looking blokes. I just pretended to look all grumpy and Brexity although I almost ordered a Gin and Tonic which would have been a fatal mistake. (lol) The fella who lives on fish and chips and kebabs gets all snooty about Wetherspoon pubs ... Dear oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-07 6:53 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 2:49 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-07 2:10 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Few Brexiteers can see his hypocrisy either. I've never been in one but apparently it's cheap prices? If so they'll have to start paying more for their pint if they want British bar staff. I went in one a couple of years back while out Christmas shopping in Darlington and waiting for my wife. Got bored so braved the local Brexit HQ Wetherpoons. They even had Brexit beer mats! It was grim. Full of red faced angry looking blokes. I just pretended to look all grumpy and Brexity although I almost ordered a Gin and Tonic which would have been a fatal mistake. (lol) The fella who lives on fish and chips and kebabs gets all snooty about Wetherspoon pubs ... Dear oh dear I dont think I have had a Kebab for maybe five years and certainly not in the UK. I do like the occasional bit of Fish from our award winning chippy though. As for you comments above re Covid, clutching at straws springs to mind. Just admit it, here we have a prime example of exactly what damage ending free movement of people has done. Why else would Dim Tim now be crying and whinging on about a "Liberal immigration policy" after he campaigned so hard for the exact opposite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-08 9:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-07 6:53 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 2:49 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-07 2:10 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Few Brexiteers can see his hypocrisy either. I've never been in one but apparently it's cheap prices? If so they'll have to start paying more for their pint if they want British bar staff. I went in one a couple of years back while out Christmas shopping in Darlington and waiting for my wife. Got bored so braved the local Brexit HQ Wetherpoons. They even had Brexit beer mats! It was grim. Full of red faced angry looking blokes. I just pretended to look all grumpy and Brexity although I almost ordered a Gin and Tonic which would have been a fatal mistake. (lol) The fella who lives on fish and chips and kebabs gets all snooty about Wetherspoon pubs ... Dear oh dear I dont think I have had a Kebab for maybe five years and certainly not in the UK. I do like the occasional bit of Fish from our award winning chippy though. As for you comments above re Covid, clutching at straws springs to mind. Just admit it, here we have a prime example of exactly what damage ending free movement of people has done. Why else would Dim Tim now be crying and whinging on about a "Liberal immigration policy" after he campaigned so hard for the exact opposite? Eh ... Dont you go travelling for 6 months of the year, every year, mainly to Flamborough and when your in said Flamborough you do seem to frequent the local fish and chip shops rather a lot??? ... You seem to have some fixation with "DimTim" that successful multi-millionaire businessman for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-06-08 7:06 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-08 9:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-07 6:53 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 2:49 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-07 2:10 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Few Brexiteers can see his hypocrisy either. I've never been in one but apparently it's cheap prices? If so they'll have to start paying more for their pint if they want British bar staff. I went in one a couple of years back while out Christmas shopping in Darlington and waiting for my wife. Got bored so braved the local Brexit HQ Wetherpoons. They even had Brexit beer mats! It was grim. Full of red faced angry looking blokes. I just pretended to look all grumpy and Brexity although I almost ordered a Gin and Tonic which would have been a fatal mistake. (lol) The fella who lives on fish and chips and kebabs gets all snooty about Wetherspoon pubs ... Dear oh dear I dont think I have had a Kebab for maybe five years and certainly not in the UK. I do like the occasional bit of Fish from our award winning chippy though. As for you comments above re Covid, clutching at straws springs to mind. Just admit it, here we have a prime example of exactly what damage ending free movement of people has done. Why else would Dim Tim now be crying and whinging on about a "Liberal immigration policy" after he campaigned so hard for the exact opposite? Eh ... Dont you go travelling for 6 months of the year, every year, mainly to Flamborough and when your in said Flamborough you do seem to frequent the local fish and chip shops rather a lot??? ... You seem to have some fixation with "DimTim" that successful multi-millionaire businessman for some reason I think I did ask earlier up the thread how somebody who comes across as thick as mince has been so successful. Exploiting staff and suppliers was one suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-06-08 9:20 PM Birdbrain - 2021-06-08 7:06 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-08 9:40 AM Birdbrain - 2021-06-07 6:53 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 2:49 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-07 2:10 PM Barryd999 - 2021-06-07 8:47 AM Even Dim Tim Martin now realises that. The man that campaigned very publicly for a hard no deal Brexit and exit of the single market which of course ended the free movement of a lot of EU Bar staff now says he now backs a "reasonably liberal" immigration system. You couldnt make it up. I really hope he his hit hard in the wallet and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people like him. Few Brexiteers can see his hypocrisy either. I've never been in one but apparently it's cheap prices? If so they'll have to start paying more for their pint if they want British bar staff. I went in one a couple of years back while out Christmas shopping in Darlington and waiting for my wife. Got bored so braved the local Brexit HQ Wetherpoons. They even had Brexit beer mats! It was grim. Full of red faced angry looking blokes. I just pretended to look all grumpy and Brexity although I almost ordered a Gin and Tonic which would have been a fatal mistake. (lol) The fella who lives on fish and chips and kebabs gets all snooty about Wetherspoon pubs ... Dear oh dear I dont think I have had a Kebab for maybe five years and certainly not in the UK. I do like the occasional bit of Fish from our award winning chippy though. As for you comments above re Covid, clutching at straws springs to mind. Just admit it, here we have a prime example of exactly what damage ending free movement of people has done. Why else would Dim Tim now be crying and whinging on about a "Liberal immigration policy" after he campaigned so hard for the exact opposite? Eh ... Dont you go travelling for 6 months of the year, every year, mainly to Flamborough and when your in said Flamborough you do seem to frequent the local fish and chip shops rather a lot??? ... You seem to have some fixation with "DimTim" that successful multi-millionaire businessman for some reason I think I did ask earlier up the thread how somebody who comes across as thick as mince has been so successful. Exploiting staff and suppliers was one suggestion. Well lets remember according to you all Brexit voters are thick so "Dim Tim" wont escape your insults will he ... As for "Exploiting" his staff almost a third of his 40.000 staff are shareholders in his company, staff have a free meal and drink if they work more than 6 hours and his company has won the top employee award many times ... Maybe you can explain where the "Exploiting" bit comes in or is it just your usual bitterness leaking through??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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