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pelmetman - 2018-04-18 6:25 PM

 

 

Yeah like Mrs May ordered the records to be destroyed *-) ..........

 

How high above Bullet polisher in chief did you get Dum Dum? :-S .......

 

Just askin? >:-) .........

 

 

Didn't ya see that Guardian picture of her warming herself by that fire pit with all those records burning away ... She's ruddy evil

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 6:24 PM

 

Ive never said these people were here legally or not did I ... If they are here legally then no problem but you seem to have a problem with accepting the whole process started under your Gods ...Awkward

Second time.

 

UKBA made a decision in 2009 but IT WAS SHELVED.

 

 

The home office GAVE THE ORDER to carry it out late 2010.

 

So under which government was the destruction of the files carried out......Labour or Tory?

 

It's a simple question.

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Bulletguy - 2018-04-18 6:32 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 6:24 PM

 

Ive never said these people were here legally or not did I ... If they are here legally then no problem but you seem to have a problem with accepting the whole process started under your Gods ...Awkward

Second time.

 

UKBA made a decision in 2009 but IT WAS SHELVED.

 

 

The home office GAVE THE ORDER to carry it out late 2010.

 

So under which government was the destruction of the files carried out......Labour or Tory?

 

It's a simple question.

 

As in would....... The Nasty Labour Party leave a ticking time bomb under the Tories? ;-) ...........

 

I guess the answer is pretty obvious :-| ...........

 

Unless you think the first thing May did was go through the small print left behind by Labour *-) .........

 

So as far as I'm concerned Mrs May is guilty of not knowing how low Labour would sink >:-) ..........

 

 

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 6:24 PM

 

Ive never said these people were here legally or not did I ... If they are here legally then no problem but you seem to have a problem with accepting the whole process started under your Gods ...Awkward

Second time.

 

UKBA made a decision in 2009 but IT WAS SHELVED.

 

 

The home office GAVE THE ORDER to carry it out late 2010.

 

So under which government was the destruction of the files carried out......Labour or Tory?

 

It's a simple question.

 

I guess the answer is pretty obvious

Yes it is as it's glaringly obvious. Don't be afraid to state the party name though.

 

 

So as far as I'm concerned Mrs May is guilty of not knowing how low Labour would sink >:-) ..........

The Tory government brought the 2014 Immigration Act, chief architect of whom was May during her tenure as HS. I'm staggered you appear to be supporting them over the Windrush case Dave.

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Barryd999 - 2018-04-18 3:30 PM

 

 

Neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition by EU citizens of Europe or those from outside Europe? All the Europeans I know and come across that have made their home here are much like us. Similar culture, similar religion and beliefs Etc. They integrate well. On the other hand as you have pointed out many times some of our immigrants from say the Middle East and beyond not so much (you say). If this is something some Brexit voters want less of won't restricting our near EU neighbours only increase more open doors for those from outside Europe to come here? Even Vote Leave told many Asian communities that would be the case if they voted out. Were they lying?

 

That's the view from Bottom Magnet.........Population 195 and a half and as yet no migrants >:-) .........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2018-04-18 12:32 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 9:49 AM

Sad, ain't it, what that outlook can do to a once great country?

 

Not as sad as our countries become with a open door to any foreign murdering raping scumbag, that's looking for a UK taxpayer funded meal ticket :-| .........

It would be if that were true, but I don't think you'll find the people you are referring to came in through the EU open door, because the countries they've come from aren't in the EU, are they?

 

You may think that make's us a great country...........I and many millions of Brits obviously disagree ;-) ..........

Were that true, I wouldn't think it had made us a great country but, as above, it isn't true.

 

No doubt you think London becoming the EU murder capital is great to? *-) ..........

 

But hey it's so easy to blame the politicians than those poor hard done by criminals ain't it >:-) .........

 

Just so long as you can polish your halo's and not have to suffer the consequences eh Brian?.........

What you think I think, is a figment of your own imagination, and is wrong, so you are merely arguing against your own imagination, in error, which seems a bit of a waste of time - but, if it amuses you, who am I to argue? :-D

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Bulletguy - 2018-04-18 6:32 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 6:24 PM

 

Ive never said these people were here legally or not did I ... If they are here legally then no problem but you seem to have a problem with accepting the whole process started under your Gods ...Awkward

Second time.

 

UKBA made a decision in 2009 but IT WAS SHELVED.

 

 

The home office GAVE THE ORDER to carry it out late 2010.

 

So under which government was the destruction of the files carried out......Labour or Tory?

 

It's a simple question.

 

So which of your posts from today are correct ... This afternoons twitter clips or your border agency claim ... Its getting difficult to keep up with ya

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Brian Kirby - 2018-04-17 9:08 PM

What pleasure it must be for them if they decide, in their retirement, that they'd like to visit the West Indies to meet the relatives they know of, but have never met, and to be told, on submitting their passport applications, that they are illegal immigrants, that they are under arrest, to be removed to an immigration centre pending deportation to a country they have never known, and also that their pensions will be stopped. Is this really Britain?

 

Cheer up Brian ;-) ..........

 

Mrs May has recognised the problem and is sorting it :D ..........

 

Now your conundrum is......... how to blame it on Brexit >:-) ........

Blame it ON Brexit, Dave? Hardly, but I can see a link. It's that same foreigner distrusting mindset at work behind both. That same bean counting mentality. That same, mean minded, "Little Englander", "any peg to hang a hat on" outlook that seems to me to afflict both. Sad, ain't it, what that outlook can do to a once great country?

 

"Foreigner distrust" ... You've misread the Brexit situation again Brian ... Not wanting your neighbourhood to change beyond recognition isn't foreigner distrust neither is not wanting further pressures on our NHS , police , doctors , schools , prisons and the rest ... It's just common sense isn't it ... I bet you dont have too many problems in leafy East Sussex with any immigration issues Brian , maybe your like the rest of the high and mighty squad on here who preach to us that do

 

Neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition by EU citizens of Europe or those from outside Europe? All the Europeans I know and come across that have made their home here are much like us. Similar culture, similar religion and beliefs Etc. They integrate well. On the other hand as you have pointed out many times some of our immigrants from say the Middle East and beyond not so much (you say). If this is something some Brexit voters want less of won't restricting our near EU neighbours only increase more open doors for those from outside Europe to come here? Even Vote Leave told many Asian communities that would be the case if they voted out. Were they lying?

 

Thankyou ... Youve just proved my point ... Though how you know what happens in towns and cities throughout the UK with East European migration I dont know as according to your good self you live in an area not affected by immigration

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Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 6:55 PM

 

What you think I think, is a figment of your own imagination, and is wrong, so you are merely arguing against your own imagination, in error, which seems a bit of a waste of time - but, if it amuses you, who am I to argue? :-D

 

So the "Fact" that London is now the EU murder capital is a figment of my imagination? ;-) .........

 

Pray tell how it would improve if we stayed in the EU with open door migration from the the EU & Beyond? :-S ........

 

 

 

 

 

 

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 12:33 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 9:49 AM

 

pelmetman - 2018-04-17 9:21 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-17 9:08 PM

What pleasure it must be for them if they decide, in their retirement, that they'd like to visit the West Indies to meet the relatives they know of, but have never met, and to be told, on submitting their passport applications, that they are illegal immigrants, that they are under arrest, to be removed to an immigration centre pending deportation to a country they have never known, and also that their pensions will be stopped. Is this really Britain?

 

Cheer up Brian ;-) ..........

 

Mrs May has recognised the problem and is sorting it :D ..........

 

Now your conundrum is......... how to blame it on Brexit >:-) ........

Blame it ON Brexit, Dave? Hardly, but I can see a link. It's that same foreigner distrusting mindset at work behind both. That same bean counting mentality. That same, mean minded, "Little Englander", "any peg to hang a hat on" outlook that seems to me to afflict both. Sad, ain't it, what that outlook can do to a once great country?

 

"Foreigner distrust" ... You've misread the Brexit situation again Brian ... Not wanting your neighbourhood to change beyond recognition isn't foreigner distrust neither is not wanting further pressures on our NHS , police , doctors , schools , prisons and the rest ... It's just common sense isn't it ... I bet you dont have too many problems in leafy East Sussex with any immigration issues Brian , maybe your like the rest of the high and mighty squad on here who preach to us that do

We have immigrants in Sussex, Antony, and they seem to have integrated well. I'm not with you on common sense. If "Not wanting your neighbourhood to change beyond recognition neither is not wanting further pressures on our NHS , police , doctors , schools , prisons and the rest", is what Brexit is about, who are the people who are causing all these problems? Where, among the other 27 EU states, are all these people coming from? I'm not seeing them.

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Tracker - 2018-04-18 2:00 PM

 

I just watched an extract of Corbyn ranting off against Mrs May in PMQs about the Windrush cock up.

 

His voice, as ever, gets higher and higher as he prattles on until it reaches a pitch where I quite expect him to quote the Daleks and utter 'exterminate exterminate' before imploding and collapsing in a heap.

 

Is this the sort of level headed person we really want as prime minister?

 

I sincerely hope not.

No - though I don't think the quality of his voice should be the determining factor! :-D

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 5:45 PM

Thats fine but in 2009 under Labours watch is when the whole thing started or am I wrong ???

Antony, "Please Sir, he started it" is what small children say when caught scrapping at school. What is of far greater importance, is who failed to stop it? If your predecessor in office did something daft, and you had six years in which to correct it, but instead added to it, it is hardly surprising, in the adult world, if you are criticised for your failing. Who started it is supremely irrelevant to where we are now.

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Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:07 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 12:33 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 9:49 AM

 

pelmetman - 2018-04-17 9:21 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-17 9:08 PM

What pleasure it must be for them if they decide, in their retirement, that they'd like to visit the West Indies to meet the relatives they know of, but have never met, and to be told, on submitting their passport applications, that they are illegal immigrants, that they are under arrest, to be removed to an immigration centre pending deportation to a country they have never known, and also that their pensions will be stopped. Is this really Britain?

 

Cheer up Brian ;-) ..........

 

Mrs May has recognised the problem and is sorting it :D ..........

 

Now your conundrum is......... how to blame it on Brexit >:-) ........

Blame it ON Brexit, Dave? Hardly, but I can see a link. It's that same foreigner distrusting mindset at work behind both. That same bean counting mentality. That same, mean minded, "Little Englander", "any peg to hang a hat on" outlook that seems to me to afflict both. Sad, ain't it, what that outlook can do to a once great country?

 

"Foreigner distrust" ... You've misread the Brexit situation again Brian ... Not wanting your neighbourhood to change beyond recognition isn't foreigner distrust neither is not wanting further pressures on our NHS , police , doctors , schools , prisons and the rest ... It's just common sense isn't it ... I bet you dont have too many problems in leafy East Sussex with any immigration issues Brian , maybe your like the rest of the high and mighty squad on here who preach to us that do

We have immigrants in Sussex, Antony, and they seem to have integrated well. I'm not with you on common sense. If "Not wanting your neighbourhood to change beyond recognition neither is not wanting further pressures on our NHS , police , doctors , schools , prisons and the rest", is what Brexit is about, who are the people who are causing all these problems? Where, among the other 27 EU states, are all these people coming from? I'm not seeing them.

 

But its you that is saying its what Brexit is all about not me

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Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:07 PM

 

We have immigrants in Sussex, Antony, and they seem to have integrated well.

 

So just because you've been lucky so far ;-) .........

 

Are you still feeling lucky about the future? >:-) ......

 

Or are you hoping house prices will protect you from the worst effects? :-| ........

 

That's prolly what they thought in London :D .........

 

If there's one thing illegal's love......It's a affluent neighbourhood 8-) .........

 

 

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 5:45 PM

Thats fine but in 2009 under Labours watch is when the whole thing started or am I wrong ???

Antony, "Please Sir, he started it" is what small children say when caught scrapping at school. What is of far greater importance, is who failed to stop it? If your predecessor in office did something daft, and you had six years in which to correct it, but instead added to it, it is hardly surprising, in the adult world, if you are criticised for your failing. Who started it is supremely irrelevant to where we are now.

 

So we might assume shared responsibility then Brian ... Is that what we are saying ??? ... Or is it all down to the Tories ???

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Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:09 PM

 

Tracker - 2018-04-18 2:00 PM

 

I just watched an extract of Corbyn ranting off against Mrs May in PMQs about the Windrush cock up.

 

His voice, as ever, gets higher and higher as he prattles on until it reaches a pitch where I quite expect him to quote the Daleks and utter 'exterminate exterminate' before imploding and collapsing in a heap.

 

Is this the sort of level headed person we really want as prime minister?

 

I sincerely hope not.

No - though I don't think the quality of his voice should be the determining factor! :-D

 

It's not just the voice, it's his whole way of appearing to lead and I just can't help it but whenever I see Corbyn I think of this wee pea green chappie and you do have to admit there is a striking resemblence!

 

http://www.dandare.org.uk/MekonGallery.htm

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pelmetman - 2018-04-18 7:00 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 6:55 PM

 

What you think I think, is a figment of your own imagination, and is wrong, so you are merely arguing against your own imagination, in error, which seems a bit of a waste of time - but, if it amuses you, who am I to argue? :-D

 

So the "Fact" that London is now the EU murder capital is a figment of my imagination? ;-) .........

 

Pray tell how it would improve if we stayed in the EU with open door migration from the the EU & Beyond? :-S ........

 

Oh Gawd. Context, Dave, context! :-D

 

Here's the full quote again, to help you:

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 6:55 PM...................................
No doubt you think London becoming the EU murder capital is great to? *-) ..........

 

But hey it's so easy to blame the politicians than those poor hard done by criminals ain't it >:-) .........

 

Just so long as you can polish your halo's and not have to suffer the consequences eh Brian?.........

What you think I think, is a figment of your own imagination, and is wrong, so you are merely arguing against your own imagination, in error, which seems a bit of a waste of time - but, if it amuses you, who am I to argue? :-D

So, as you can see, you've now turned from arguing against what you think I think, in error, to misunderstanding even what you think I think! :-D

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pelmetman - 2018-04-18 7:27 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:07 PM

 

We have immigrants in Sussex, Antony, and they seem to have integrated well.

 

So just because you've been lucky so far ;-) .........

 

Are you still feeling lucky about the future? >:-) ......

 

Or are you hoping house prices will protect you from the worst effects? :-| ........

 

That's prolly what they thought in London :D .........

 

If there's one thing illegal's love......It's a affluent neighbourhood 8-) .........

 

 

Ye but would Brian move to an area where immigrants hadn't integrated so well ... Would he hell

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 7:29 PM

 

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 5:45 PM

Thats fine but in 2009 under Labours watch is when the whole thing started or am I wrong ???

Antony, "Please Sir, he started it" is what small children say when caught scrapping at school. What is of far greater importance, is who failed to stop it? If your predecessor in office did something daft, and you had six years in which to correct it, but instead added to it, it is hardly surprising, in the adult world, if you are criticised for your failing. Who started it is supremely irrelevant to where we are now.

 

So we might assume shared responsibility then Brian ... Is that what we are saying ??? ... Or is it all down to the Tories ???

BG has correctly answered that question above. Personally, I couldn't give a flying fig who started it, it is a travesty of justice that no-one should seek to defend, whichever party might have been involved. If you really want to apportion blame, it seems the idea was spawned by Labour in 2010, but adopted and implemented, in more draconian form, by the Coalition, whose choice of Home Secretary was Theresa May, now our PM. So while no-one emerges with clean hands, it seem to me clear whose hands are by far the grubbiest.

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Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 6:55 PM

 

What you think I think, is a figment of your own imagination, and is wrong, so you are merely arguing against your own imagination, in error, which seems a bit of a waste of time - but, if it amuses you, who am I to argue? :-D

 

So the "Fact" that London is now the EU murder capital is a figment of my imagination? ;-) .........

 

Pray tell how it would improve if we stayed in the EU with open door migration from the the EU & Beyond? :-S ........

 

Oh Gawd. Context, Dave, context! :-D

 

Here's the full quote again, to help you:

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 6:55 PM...................................
No doubt you think London becoming the EU murder capital is great to? *-) ..........

 

But hey it's so easy to blame the politicians than those poor hard done by criminals ain't it >:-) .........

 

Just so long as you can polish your halo's and not have to suffer the consequences eh Brian?.........

What you think I think, is a figment of your own imagination, and is wrong, so you are merely arguing against your own imagination, in error, which seems a bit of a waste of time - but, if it amuses you, who am I to argue? :-D

So, as you can see, you've now turned from arguing against what you think I think, in error, to misunderstanding even what you think I think! :-D

 

So, as far as I can see, you've now turned from answering a question to talking about the question *-) ........

 

........and folk wonder why we are where we are 8-) ........

 

Glad I ain't got any kids ........To inherit the world you intelligent folk are creating >:-) .......

 

 

 

 

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Tracker - 2018-04-18 7:30 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:09 PM

 

Tracker - 2018-04-18 2:00 PM

 

I just watched an extract of Corbyn ranting off against Mrs May in PMQs about the Windrush cock up.

 

His voice, as ever, gets higher and higher as he prattles on until it reaches a pitch where I quite expect him to quote the Daleks and utter 'exterminate exterminate' before imploding and collapsing in a heap.

 

Is this the sort of level headed person we really want as prime minister?

 

I sincerely hope not.

No - though I don't think the quality of his voice should be the determining factor! :-D

 

It's not just the voice, it's his whole way of appearing to lead and I just can't help it but whenever I see Corbyn I think of this wee chappie and you do have to admit there is a striking resemblence!

 

http://www.dandare.org.uk/MekonGallery.htm

I've got news for you, Rich: Daleks weren't invented when we were fighting the Mekon! :-D

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Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:39 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 7:29 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:17 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 5:45 PM

Thats fine but in 2009 under Labours watch is when the whole thing started or am I wrong ???

Antony, "Please Sir, he started it" is what small children say when caught scrapping at school. What is of far greater importance, is who failed to stop it? If your predecessor in office did something daft, and you had six years in which to correct it, but instead added to it, it is hardly surprising, in the adult world, if you are criticised for your failing. Who started it is supremely irrelevant to where we are now.

 

So we might assume shared responsibility then Brian ... Is that what we are saying ??? ... Or is it all down to the Tories ???

BG has correctly answered that question above. Personally, I couldn't give a flying fig who started it, it is a travesty of justice that no-one should seek to defend, whichever party might have been involved. If you really want to apportion blame, it seems the idea was spawned by Labour in 2010, but adopted and implemented, in more draconian form, by the Coalition, whose choice of Home Secretary was Theresa May, now our PM. So while no-one emerges with clean hands, it seem to me clear whose hands are by far the grubbiest.

 

Well actually Brian im with you ... Its a shameful episode but given BG placed the blame firmly with the Tories which isnt true I felt the need to balance the books and add a little truth

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antony1969 - 2018-04-18 6:55 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2018-04-18 6:32 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 6:24 PM

 

Ive never said these people were here legally or not did I ... If they are here legally then no problem but you seem to have a problem with accepting the whole process started under your Gods ...Awkward

Second time.

 

UKBA made a decision in 2009 but IT WAS SHELVED.

 

 

The home office GAVE THE ORDER to carry it out late 2010.

 

So under which government was the destruction of the files carried out......Labour or Tory?

 

It's a simple question.

 

So which of your posts from today are correct ... This afternoons twitter clips or your border agency claim ... Its getting difficult to keep up with ya

The only obstinacy is your refusal to read and comprehend. I've stated, i've linked and even a Downing St spokesman has said "the operational decision was taken by the BA".....after the HO gave the order to carry it out in late 2010.

 

 

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 7:47 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:39 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 7:29 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2018-04-18 7:17 PM

 

antony1969 - 2018-04-18 5:45 PM

Thats fine but in 2009 under Labours watch is when the whole thing started or am I wrong ???

Antony, "Please Sir, he started it" is what small children say when caught scrapping at school. What is of far greater importance, is who failed to stop it? If your predecessor in office did something daft, and you had six years in which to correct it, but instead added to it, it is hardly surprising, in the adult world, if you are criticised for your failing. Who started it is supremely irrelevant to where we are now.

 

So we might assume shared responsibility then Brian ... Is that what we are saying ??? ... Or is it all down to the Tories ???

BG has correctly answered that question above. Personally, I couldn't give a flying fig who started it, it is a travesty of justice that no-one should seek to defend, whichever party might have been involved. If you really want to apportion blame, it seems the idea was spawned by Labour in 2010, but adopted and implemented, in more draconian form, by the Coalition, whose choice of Home Secretary was Theresa May, now our PM. So while no-one emerges with clean hands, it seem to me clear whose hands are by far the grubbiest.

 

Well actually Brian im with you ... Its a shameful episode but given BG placed the blame firmly with the Tories which isnt true I felt the need to balance the books and add a little truth

How many more times do you need this spelling out?

 

The home office GAVE THE ORDER to carry it out late 2010.

 

So under which government was the destruction of the files carried out......Labour or Tory?

 

Simple question.

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This despicable travesty of justice has just gone from bad to worse.

 

58 year old Dexter Bristol who came to the UK from Grenada with his parents as an 8 year old boy was found dead in his flat three weeks ago. Cause of death is still to be determined.

 

Because he didn’t have the right documentation, he had lost his job and warned he could be deported. Due to his 'non-status' he had no entitlement to benefits. Dexter had spent more than a year trying to prove his right to live in the UK.

 

His mother had worked as a nurse in the NHS for 40 years.

 

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