Violet1956 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-22 4:45 PM This just gets worse. How many other British people have to buy a biometric Residence permit every five years? This is exactly what the Stasi did with citizens in post war DDR. Get found without documents and you'd be arrested and carted off to prison like this one in Berlin http://www.stiftung-hsh.de/ They will no longer be valid when (and if!) UK exits the EU and a "new scheme" will be introduced for those people. What will that be.....numbers tattooed on their arm? :-( It's indicative of the institutional racism Tories excel at and despite the catastrophic disaster of Windrush.....still they blindly blunder on. Tories in new race row over identity checks for elections New rules ‘will deter migrant voters’, watchdog claims, adding to Windrush scandal Government plans that will force people to prove their identities at polling stations in May’s local elections risk disenfranchising members of ethnic minority communities, according to a leaked letter to ministers from the equality and human rights watchdog. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/21/identity-checks-election-disenfranchise-ethnic-minorities https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/20/ministers-scroungers-lose-forms-pm-windrush Paul, I don't have a problem with the requirement to prove one's status before voting so long as there are adequate processes for people to evidence their legitimate status as citizens of the UK. The "so long as" bit is quite obviously the rub here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-04-22 5:40 PM Paul, I don't have a problem with the requirement to prove one's status before voting so long as there are adequate processes for people to evidence their legitimate status as citizens of the UK. The "so long as" bit is quite obviously the rub here. Nope, but then we aren't expected to pay £69 every five years to purchase a resident card either are we? This was what was finally granted to Michael Braithwaite the other day, a teacher at a special needs school who had been kicked out of his job two years back despite having worked at the school for over 15 years. May now say's "they are British". I'm losing track of all the handbrake u-turns she's doing. It's time she was shown where the exit door is. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/18/michael-braithwaite-man-who-lost-job-over-immigration-status-has-right-to-be-in-uk-confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 That cartoon caricature Rees-Smug is now attempting to blame Europe for the Windrush scandal. *-) Very poor attempt at deflecting racism away from his party. Is there no depth to which these loons will sink? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/21/home-office-failures-blame-windrush-says-rees-mogg/ We've slated Muslims, migrants, refugees and Europe for our problems, now we've turned on British people who happen to be black. Pastor Niemollers quote comes to mind First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Funny how the right wing press and Brexiters savaged Angela Merkel for taking in refugees and EU open border policy. Now they're claiming the EU is responsible for Commonwealth born British people being deported from Britain. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-22 6:12 PM Violet1956 - 2018-04-22 5:40 PM Paul, I don't have a problem with the requirement to prove one's status before voting so long as there are adequate processes for people to evidence their legitimate status as citizens of the UK. The "so long as" bit is quite obviously the rub here. Nope, but then we aren't expected to pay £69 every five years to purchase a resident card either are we? This was what was finally granted to Michael Braithwaite the other day, a teacher at a special needs school who had been kicked out of his job two years back despite having worked at the school for over 15 years. May now say's "they are British". I'm losing track of all the handbrake u-turns she's doing. It's time she was shown where the exit door is. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/18/michael-braithwaite-man-who-lost-job-over-immigration-status-has-right-to-be-in-uk-confirmed It's a little difficult to see what's going on in Mr Braithwaite's case without more information about what form of residence he qualifies for in the UK. British Nationality law is not straightforward. Mind you if the Home Office has now accepted his claims about his residence in their entirety and that he is the victim of an historical wrong it is difficult to see how they could refuse him the right of abode without any need for him to make any further application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-04-22 9:01 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-22 6:12 PM Violet1956 - 2018-04-22 5:40 PM Paul, I don't have a problem with the requirement to prove one's status before voting so long as there are adequate processes for people to evidence their legitimate status as citizens of the UK. The "so long as" bit is quite obviously the rub here. Nope, but then we aren't expected to pay £69 every five years to purchase a resident card either are we? This was what was finally granted to Michael Braithwaite the other day, a teacher at a special needs school who had been kicked out of his job two years back despite having worked at the school for over 15 years. May now say's "they are British". I'm losing track of all the handbrake u-turns she's doing. It's time she was shown where the exit door is. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/18/michael-braithwaite-man-who-lost-job-over-immigration-status-has-right-to-be-in-uk-confirmed It's a little difficult to see what's going on in Mr Braithwaite's case without more information about what form of residence he qualifies for in the UK. British Nationality law is not straightforward. Mind you if the Home Office has now accepted his claims about his residence in their entirety and that he is the victim of an historical wrong it is difficult to see how they could refuse him the right of abode without any need for him to make any further application. He's a British citizen Veronica. None of these people should ever have been treated to the gross inhumanity meted out by this Government with May being chief enabler with her wicked Immigration Bill 2014, the errors of which were pointed out at the time but the Tories ignored and blundered on. I'm more convinced than ever now that woman is a rampant racist and her party supports that. What else can you think of a Government who dreams up that horrendous guide "Coming Home to Jamaica" to dish out to deportees which tells them to "try to sound Jamaican because overseas accent attract attention"? I thought i lived in Britain but it's become more like Nazi Germany. These folk lived in daily fear of the knock on the door by the May's Gestapo coming to cart them off to detention centres where they'd be processed before being chucked on a plane and thrown out of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 It's also time May was reminded of her advice back in 2004........so when is she going to follow that up on the shambles she and her party have created? Both May and Rudd should go. Better still, kick May out of a job, deprive her of healthcare, and deport her to Jamaica telling her to "sound Jamaican to avoid attracting attention". Looks like neither will last long anyway. “How much worse can it get? People have died, they have lost their jobs, and people working in the National Health Service all their lives are suddenly not even entitled to go to the National Health Service,” she said. “It couldn’t be worse and yet the home secretary thinks ‘I can apologise and it will be alright’. Well, it won’t be.” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/22/pressure-grows-on-theresa-may-and-amber-rudd-over-windrush-scandal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-22 10:03 PM Violet1956 - 2018-04-22 9:01 PM Bulletguy - 2018-04-22 6:12 PM Violet1956 - 2018-04-22 5:40 PM Paul, I don't have a problem with the requirement to prove one's status before voting so long as there are adequate processes for people to evidence their legitimate status as citizens of the UK. The "so long as" bit is quite obviously the rub here. Nope, but then we aren't expected to pay £69 every five years to purchase a resident card either are we? This was what was finally granted to Michael Braithwaite the other day, a teacher at a special needs school who had been kicked out of his job two years back despite having worked at the school for over 15 years. May now say's "they are British". I'm losing track of all the handbrake u-turns she's doing. It's time she was shown where the exit door is. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/18/michael-braithwaite-man-who-lost-job-over-immigration-status-has-right-to-be-in-uk-confirmed It's a little difficult to see what's going on in Mr Braithwaite's case without more information about what form of residence he qualifies for in the UK. British Nationality law is not straightforward. Mind you if the Home Office has now accepted his claims about his residence in their entirety and that he is the victim of an historical wrong it is difficult to see how they could refuse him the right of abode without any need for him to make any further application. He's a British citizen Veronica. None of these people should ever have been treated to the gross inhumanity meted out by this Government with May being chief enabler with her wicked Immigration Bill 2014, the errors of which were pointed out at the time but the Tories ignored and blundered on. I'm more convinced than ever now that woman is a rampant racist and her party supports that. What else can you think of a Government who dreams up that horrendous guide "Coming Home to Jamaica" to dish out to deportees which tells them to "try to sound Jamaican because overseas accent attract attention"? I thought i lived in Britain but it's become more like Nazi Germany. These folk lived in daily fear of the knock on the door by the May's Gestapo coming to cart them off to detention centres where they'd be processed before being chucked on a plane and thrown out of the country. Someones going even more Hollywood than usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek pringle Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Hi, May has got some cheek and Brass Neck. A week ago she authorises attack against the way Assaad treats his people. I bet some of the people who have suffered the worst of Windrush at times would think being killed would have been a better thing for them. This govt. is a prime example of clinging to power regardless, they know they would be underdogs in any General Election coupled with the fact that they have not got anybody who remotely looks like they could lead the Party let alone the country. cheers derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Derek's gone all Hollywood now ... Some victims of Windrush would think being killed would be a better thing for them ??? ... Jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 More proof here the Tory Government knew they were targeting Windrush people on a blog written by Anna Jordan-West, Migration Project Manager to the British High Commission in Jamaica. It was published 15th July 2013 on the FO website. “Many consider themselves British, having moved to the UK as a young child with their parents or grandparents and granted indefinite leave to remain (ILR).” "It is possible for deportees and those removed to make a new, fulfilling life in Jamaica, that contributes to the rich and wonderful culture on this beautiful little island. Individual testimonies and stories attest to the fact that deportation should not be considered a ‘life sentence’ but as a second chance to start again." It goes on to mention the three different categories of deportation....none of which should ever have been applied to the Windrush people. Oh and as well as giving them a free booklet on "Coming Home" and advice about blending in by "try to sound Jamaican", they dished out DVD's. Well whoopee me......what use is a dvd to someone you've just stripped of everything but the clothes they're wearing? https://blogs.fco.gov.uk/ajordanwest/2013/07/15/myths-vs-facts-deportation/ More horrific personal testimonies emerging now with some caught up in a 'reverse' Windrush.....British citizens who had gone to Jamaica to visit an elderly relative or attend a funeral, only to be denied access back to UK. Trevor and Desmond Johnson flew from Jamaica to London in 1971 as unaccompanied minors to join their parents who had moved to the UK several years earlier, hoping to make a better life for the family. The brothers were 10 and 11 when they arrived, both incredibly excited about the future, but almost half a century later, both men’s lives have been shattered by the Windrush scandal. Trevor, a widowed single parent looking after two teenage daughters, was wrongly told in 2014 that he was in Britain illegally and had his benefits cut off. An employee from Capita – the private company used by the Home Office for immigration work – called to tell him that officers would come to his house to deport him back to the country he had left as a child. He spent that night waiting up with his daughters, listening for the knock at the door. But problems only began in 2014, when he was sent by the jobcentre back to college for a literacy course. “The college started asking me for papers. I said, ‘I don’t need papers.’ I thought I was here legally since I had been here since I was a kid,” he said. Somehow officials must have tipped off the Home Office, and when Trevor went to his GP for a document indicating that he was eligible for sickness benefits, he was told: “We can’t give you a letter because the DWP has told us don’t issue one.” Because he was told he was not allowed to work, and was not eligible for benefits, the family was destitute and for two years they were forced to rely on food banks. Sometimes Trevor had to beg on the streets of Brixton so he could heat his home. As Trevor struggled to avoid deportation to Jamaica, his older brother Desmond, who had travelled back to Jamaica in 2001 to attend their father’s funeral and as the eldest son had stayed on to support his widowed mother, was fighting a reverse battle to be allowed back into the UK. He has failed, and remains stuck in Jamaica, meaning he has not seen his daughter for 16 years. Both men are devastated by the way the government’s “hostile environment” policy has destroyed two family units. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/22/how-windrush-scandal-shattered-two-brothers-lives-trevor-desmond-johnson Appearing on Peston on Sunday, Immigration minister James Brokenshire MP said they "looked compassionately over a number of individual cases". Doesn't seem that way from the letter he signed off to Mr Johnson. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/22/government-aware-for-years-that-hostile-environment-hurt-windrush-generation A 66 year old lady who came to UK as a four year old child, now a pensioner, has been whacked with a demand from DWP for payment of £33,590 for past disability benefits and threatened with deportation. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/20/dwp-sent-windrush-pensioner-33000-bill-for-disability-benefits The Gestapo have been very busy.over the past few years. The Tory party have become the National Front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Rudd's performance in the House of Commons this afternoon displayed how unreal these folk are. Rudd, May and others of her ilk seem to inhabit another planet. She's said the Windrush generation had no documentation etc, so how the hell did she expect them to prove they were entitled to stay under the 2014/2016 Immigration Acts? What was the point of asking them to produce documentation it was known they did not have? *-) If there was no intention to deport anyone from the Windrush generation, why were they detained, is she saying that was illegal or is she now going to ignore the two Acts when deciding who is and who isn't an illegal immigrant? Massive damage limitation going on now in Downing street. Expect teams of scaffolders to move in and start propping up a government sitting on extremely weak foundations. May regretting the words she uttered on national tv back in 2004 unaware she was writing her own future obituary, must be praying for divine intervention as she ignores the exit door. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/23/windrush-generation-will-get-uk-citizenship-says-amber-rudd http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43868921 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Still milking old news Bullet *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Disgusting and shameful. Racist UK 2018. "Be grateful we have taken you in as a black man.....go back to your country" Errr.....he was born here in Britain you dimwits *-) and reminding Rudd not all countries had been granted independence from UK by 1973. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-23 9:23 PM Disgusting and shameful. Racist UK 2018. "Be grateful we have taken you in as a black man.....go back to your country" Errr.....he was born here in Britain you dimwits *-) and reminding Rudd not all countries had been granted independence from UK by 1973. Lammy can take it , he's made a whole career out of racism one way or another ... He's not like one of those poor underage white girls raped by Muslims and called white bitch , white slut , white slag ... That really is disgusting and shameful and it was kept quiet for years and years ... Maybe Toronto has just had a taste of racism again ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-23 9:23 PM Disgusting and shameful. Racist UK 2018. "Be grateful we have taken you in as a black man.....go back to your country" Errr.....he was born here in Britain you dimwits *-) and reminding Rudd not all countries had been granted independence from UK by 1973. Leave the teat alone Bullet ............It's old news *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek pringle Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-23 9:57 AM Derek's gone all Hollywood now ... Some victims of Windrush would think being killed would be a better thing for them ??? ... Jeez Hi Anthony, not trying to be hollywood but can you think of any darker place to put a person than wrongly removing them from their family and not even let them visit them in years. If it was displayed in hollywood it would probably be under Horror . cheers derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 derek pringle - 2018-04-24 8:54 AM antony1969 - 2018-04-23 9:57 AM Derek's gone all Hollywood now ... Some victims of Windrush would think being killed would be a better thing for them ??? ... Jeez Hi Anthony, not trying to be hollywood but can you think of any darker place to put a person than wrongly removing them from their family and not even let them visit them in years. If it was displayed in hollywood it would probably be under Horror . cheers derek Maybe ... What about having to live next door to Bullet ??? ... That could be pretty dark ... Mind given his sleeping pattern and not getting out he'd Prolly be an ideal neighbour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-04-24 6:29 AM Bulletguy - 2018-04-23 9:23 PM Disgusting and shameful. Racist UK 2018. "Be grateful we have taken you in as a black man.....go back to your country" Errr.....he was born here in Britain you dimwits *-) and reminding Rudd not all countries had been granted independence from UK by 1973. Lammy can take it , he's made a whole career out of racism one way or another ... He's not like one of those poor underage white girls raped by Muslims and called white bitch , white slut , white slag ... That really is disgusting and shameful and it was kept quiet for years and years ... Maybe Toronto has just had a taste of racism again ! To say someone "can take it" implies they should just put up with it. Racism is disgusting irrespective of ethnicity, creed, colour, faith or whatever else......period. So i struggle to see how anyone can support it as and when suits. As for Minassian, that's an Armenian name so he may well not fit the narrative you're hoping for and is a pointless deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 derek pringle - 2018-04-24 8:54 AM antony1969 - 2018-04-23 9:57 AM Derek's gone all Hollywood now ... Some victims of Windrush would think being killed would be a better thing for them ??? ... Jeez Hi Anthony, not trying to be hollywood but can you think of any darker place to put a person than wrongly removing them from their family and not even let them visit them in years. If it was displayed in hollywood it would probably be under Horror . cheers derek Quite right Derek. The entire Windrush debacle has brought shame and disgrace on the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Channel 4 news screened a very good debate on Windrush last night. Well worth a listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-04-25 12:13 AM Channel 4 news screened a very good debate on Windrush last night. Well worth a listen. Thanks for this Paul. I missed this last night and have watched the youtube video. I think it was a very unsatisfactory debate for a number of reasons. I was hoping to learn something about the legal issues but Channel 4 didn’t get any of the lawyers who contributed to state what the issues were. There are noted experts in the UK such as a QC Laurie Fransman who is the author of a textbook almost 2” thick on Nationality law who could have been invited and asked to explain what the root of the problem is. What Mr Goodhart was trying to say made sense to me. The changes in the law had unintended consequences and terrible mistakes were made in some cases. Whilst criticism of the government’s handling of this is due, the idea that was allowed to prevail in the debate was that the government adopted the new laws in 2014 to target black people which I think is nonsense. As Rees-Mogg said he was alerted to one case of an Australian in his constituency hence he knew nothing about the scale of it. There are potential problems for all Commonwealth citizens not only those from the Caribbean or former African/Asian countries. One man said that an impact assessment about the introduction of the 2014 legislation was done and not signed off? If that is true that says a lot to me. What did it say, was it recognised that the people from the Windrush generation or other former Commonwealth citizens who were entitled to British citizenship but wouldn't have the documents to prove it would be adversely affected? If not why not? The scandal is that nothing was done about the cases as they emerged. As the one of the speakers affected said, he’s baffled and lost with all of this and doesn’t feel reassured. It is a pity that Channel 4 didn’t get someone to explain the legal issues so he would not be baffled. I’ve gone off Lammy big time. His emotive language, the whipping up fears that this has to do with racism in order to increase his popularity among his constituents is in my view using their pain for his gain. What was he doing for the constituents that came to him with these problems? Did he raise them in parliament if it was so obviously affecting a great number of people? Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Totally agree with your Lammy comment ... He's the worst kind of politician and plays the race card in almost everything he does or says ... He doesn't help racial problems he causes them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 https://fullfact.org/immigration/windrush-generation/ I found this which throws some light on some of the issues. There are over half a million Commonwealth-born people living in the UK who arrived before 1971. All we hear about a number much much smaller than that who have had problems proving their status/right of abode. Interestingly Mr Goodhart said on the channel 4 programme that the issue about the destruction of landing cards being an impediment to the people who arrived on the Windrush is a red-herring because as they were British they wouldn't have had to fill them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 derek pringle - 2018-04-24 8:54 AM antony1969 - 2018-04-23 9:57 AM Derek's gone all Hollywood now ... Some victims of Windrush would think being killed would be a better thing for them ??? ... Jeez Hi Anthony, not trying to be hollywood but can you think of any darker place to put a person than wrongly removing them from their family and not even let them visit them in years. If it was displayed in hollywood it would probably be under Horror . cheers derek Really? :-S ........I was born in London :-| ...... If I was deported to the Caribbean, I reckon I'd of won the lottery :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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