dawki Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Hi sold my motorhome for the last 15 years😭Mercedes base vehicle have basically decided that next one which I’m urgently seeking would be Automatic and 90%sure it would be a transit base having known about the injectors issue some suffered with I was happy to take chance on that but is the wet cambelt issue a game changer regards opting for the Ford Transit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 17 hours ago, dawki said: ...is the wet cambelt issue a game changer regards opting for the Ford Transit It might be... https://hallcraft-servicing.co.uk/ford-transit-timing-belt-time-bomb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) I heard these wet cambelts are failing early because they are not using the right oil? Not just the right spec (eg 0w30 C2 as in the Ducato) but oil that is designed for wet cambelts? I don't know about that, but to be sure, if I had got a wet cambelt I personally would make sure I got the right oil to go with it, rather than rely on a garage to use the right oil. But I am glad I haven't got a wet cambelt - bad enough having a dry one. Edited April 26 by John52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) Hi I am afraid they do fail regardless of the oil used as it becomes diluted and contaminated with soot, ( regular oil changes are not the norm anymore ) This is well known and Ford have issued a Technical Service Bulletin . The saga goes on and on . At the moment it wouldn't be my choice of motor Regards Edited April 26 by onecal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, onecal said: Ford have issued a Technical Service Bulletin . Do you have a link to it please? Most of what I have seen is written by the trade, and it might suit them better to use whatever oil they have and change the belts twice as often? (pardon my cynicism but its based on years of experience) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Hi I think you should contact Ford for any information needed on same as I believe many a case is pending ,That's of course if we are to believe social media reports. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, onecal said: Hi I think you should contact Ford for any information needed on same as I believe many a case is pending ,That's of course if we are to believe social media reports. Regards So thats a No then is it? Excuse me, but I thought when you quoted a Ford Technical Service Bulletin you might just actually know what it says so you can copy and paste it here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Hi If you read my last post I think it answers you question Again I will put it up for you , again,,,,as you say It's flooding lol I think it's an effort to clarify and for others to read in full If you have an issue take it up with Ford lol but as you say you haven't a wet cambelt and I think you allude you have an issue with the trade (see attached) Sorry my reply John may not suit you and if you wish to start an argument today lol I think not lol Really silly way of going on ,to be honest I will put it up for you again to read , please read it all. It's my opinion as is others here May I wish you well Hi I think you should contact Ford for any information needed on same as I believe many a case is pending ,That's of course if we are to believe social media reports. Regards 2 hours ago, John52 said: don't know about that, but to be sure, if I had got a wet cambelt I personally would make sure I got the right oil to go with it, rather than rely on a garage to use the right oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, onecal said: If you read my last post I think it answers you question If you read my question you will see that it doesn't answer it The question was do you have a link to the technical service bulletin you mention. From your usual distraction and obfuscation I can only assume the answer is 'no' So I am not going to keep going round in circles and help you turn this into another interminably long and boring thread. You can have the last word if you must. If anyone has this Ford Technical Service Bulletin onecal quotes please post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Again lol Contact Ford ? May I wish you well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawki Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 It really is a crazy amount of money to spend every 5/6 years☹️Such a shame as by all accounts it’s really nice thing to drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, onecal said: Hi I am afraid they do fail regardless of the oil used as it becomes diluted and contaminated with soot, ( regular oil changes are not the norm anymore ) This is well known and Ford have issued a Technical Service Bulletin . The saga goes on and on . At the moment it wouldn't be my choice of motor Regards Nearest I can find is a recall letter... https://www.arval.nl/sites/default/files/119/2022/07/20B44_Ford.pdf And the first paragraph... And having found 20B44 gives more info... https://fordtransit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=204983&start=105 And the bad part... "At this point the engine will need to be replaced." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Hi "Dawki" It 's a serious issue to consider on purchasing one with a wet belt as you say the the amount of money that has to be spent on the service of same and maybe the loss also of re-sale value going forward, Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawki Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, onecal said: Hi "Dawki" It 's a serious issue to consider on purchasing one with a wet belt as you say the the amount of money that has to be spent on the service of same and maybe the loss also of re-sale value going forward, Regards Yes it really does need consideration especially when coming from a chain driven van can anybody confirm that Fords have officially reduced belt change times from 10 down to 6 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Hi Dawki, I think you should contact Ford for the "official information" you request Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 22 hours ago, dawki said: Yes it really does need consideration especially when coming from a chain driven van can anybody confirm that Fords have officially reduced belt change times from 10 down to 6 years? This link refers https://palmersgarage.co.uk/2024/01/17/ford-2-0l-ecoblue-timing-wet-belt-replacement-revised-service-interval/#:~:text=Therefore%2C to address issues with,6 years or 100%2C000 miles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawki Posted Tuesday at 20:04 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 20:04 🙁 On 27/04/2024 at 13:48, Derek Uzzell said: This link refers https://palmersgarage.co.uk/2024/01/17/ford-2-0l-ecoblue-timing-wet-belt-replacement-revised-service-interval/#:~:text=Therefore%2C to address issues with,6 years or 100%2C000 miles. carefully worded statement there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted Wednesday at 16:20 Share Posted Wednesday at 16:20 Hi Dawki So what did you decide ? Eegards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawki Posted Wednesday at 21:11 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 21:11 Very undecided at the moment really want a Transit but but ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted Thursday at 10:18 Share Posted Thursday at 10:18 13 hours ago, dawki said: Very undecided at the moment really want a Transit but but ☹️ Well if I really wanted a Transit I would have one. (but I'm happy with my Ducato) They went to a wet belt because its more efficient, and it sounds like you can check them without difficulty to minimise the risk. Whatever you go for there is always lots to go wrong and a small risk of a wrecked engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted Thursday at 12:15 Share Posted Thursday at 12:15 A GOOGLE search on wet timing belt problems will retrieve plenty of bedtime reading. I don't know of any manufacturer other than Ford that uses a 'wet' belt on their commercial vehicles (and there have been MAJOR issues with Ford cars that have the Ecoboost motors). This link summarises the position well. https://www.millersoils.co.uk/reducing-damage-to-wet-belt-systems/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted Thursday at 14:59 Share Posted Thursday at 14:59 Hi Dawki Why go away from your Mercedes base I get the feeling you may be wishing someone to ask ? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted Friday at 07:04 Share Posted Friday at 07:04 onecal These earlier forum threads provide background... https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/topic/65287-ford-transit-20l/#comment-717208 https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/topic/65623-benimar/#comment-717721 https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/topic/65981-which-is-better/#comment-718312 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted Friday at 07:37 Share Posted Friday at 07:37 Thanks for your efforts in searching out info Derek Its very interesting, but when I see an oil seller telling us to use their oil and change it twice as often I am reminded of Warren Buffets advice not to ask a Barber whether you need a haircut. That may be a good idea but I would rather hear it from the engine manufacturer. Which is why I was hoping onecal would at least tell us whether he has the Ford Technical Service bulletin he quotes. (Instead of keep posting over and over again on the same thread to repeat the same advice to contact the vehicle manufacturer, which others have said is a waste of time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted Friday at 08:12 Share Posted Friday at 08:12 34 minutes ago, John52 said: Which is why I was hoping onecal would at least tell us whether he has the Ford Technical Service bulletin he quotes. I posted a link to that above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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