Tracker Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 robertandjean - 2014-07-21 8:36 PM Had a quick read through this thread and would sum up as follows. Analysis by Brian a couple of pages back is well thought out and agree with his conclusion that gassing is indeed an urban myth, sorry Dave. But must add that personal attacks on Dave do seem unreasonable, even if you do not agree with his arguments. It is unfortunately the way of this forum for those unable to communicate without insults to be allowed by the moderators to continue unabated. How many times does it have to said - respond to and oppose the message if you disagree but attacking the messenger is childish and unwarranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pampam Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Teflon2 you lucky devil ..... I always wanted to race sidecar pp :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Tracker - 2014-07-25 10:36 PM robertandjean - 2014-07-21 8:36 PM Had a quick read through this thread and would sum up as follows. Analysis by Brian a couple of pages back is well thought out and agree with his conclusion that gassing is indeed an urban myth, sorry Dave. But must add that personal attacks on Dave do seem unreasonable, even if you do not agree with his arguments. It is unfortunately the way of this forum for those unable to communicate without insults to be allowed by the moderators to continue unabated. How many times does it have to said - respond to and oppose the message if you disagree but attacking the messenger is childish and unwarranted. Actually, one of the biggest problems on this forum is snide hypocrites who, under the guise of moderate peacemakers, continue their life-long habits of spiteful and unpleasant stirring. As in the Fuel Economy thread lower down this page where on page 2 you and Pelmetman make yet another nasty little attack on me. But it's only a bit of fun isn't it? I have never entered a thread simply to make a silly and childish jibe at you or him, but the two of you do it continually. You contribute nothing to the subject in hand and your only motive appears to be to continue animosity which has been engendered in the past. If you really care about some kind of harmony on this forum you could start by stopping this unpleasant and snide behaviour. But you won't because you can't. I've learned over a long time that you are devious and thoroughly malicious. And I do wish that you'd change that signature of yours. Every time I read it I feel the urge to put two fingers in my mouth and make retching motions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 robertandjean - 2014-07-21 8:36 PM Had a quick read through this thread and would sum up as follows. Analysis by Brian a couple of pages back is well thought out and agree with his conclusion that gassing is indeed an urban myth, sorry Dave. But must add that personal attacks on Dave do seem unreasonable, even if you do not agree with his arguments. You should read the thread more carefully. On the first page I made a reasoned argument as to why I think that gassing is a myth. I didn't mention Pelmetman or refer to him in any way. In that post I mentioned that I'd just had an operation under a general anaesthetic. Pelmetman's post lower down started with this: "I see your ego reduction surgery went well Frank." So what do you think about that R&J? Do you consider that reasonable or are you like one or two others on here who suffer from selective blindness? Nevertheless, I consider myself lucky that you didn't manage to work in a plug for aires, or suggest that my operation is the reason I don't use them (in fact I do,) as you did when I mentioned about having my shower repaired. Only you could claim that the size of my shower is the reason that my first choice for a comfortable stay is a camp site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Bye all, it's been emotional. I don't blame you Dave (PM) but note a startling lack of any factually proven reports of gassing. Enjoy the forum for as long as it manages to limp along. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 It's a shame Dave has felt the need to leave especially when he offered more help on here than most ... but like a lot others and myself included he'd simply had enough !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-07-25 11:42 PM robertandjean - 2014-07-21 8:36 PM Had a quick read through this thread and would sum up as follows. Analysis by Brian a couple of pages back is well thought out and agree with his conclusion that gassing is indeed an urban myth, sorry Dave. But must add that personal attacks on Dave do seem unreasonable, even if you do not agree with his arguments. You should read the thread more carefully. On the first page I made a reasoned argument as to why I think that gassing is a myth. I didn't mention Pelmetman or refer to him in any way. In that post I mentioned that I'd just had an operation under a general anaesthetic. Pelmetman's post lower down started with this: "I see your ego reduction surgery went well Frank." So what do you think about that R&J? Do you consider that reasonable or are you like one or two others on here who suffer from selective blindness? A quip I made after this diatribe Frank ;-)........... "What was it BK said about engaging brain before hitting keyboard? Who has ever intimated that the thieves know if their target is drunk? There are numerous examples reported of motorhomers discovering that someone is trying to break into their 'van and rob them. Thieves can easily check if someone is in a deep sleep by making a bit of noise and if the occupants don't wake they know that they can carry on with their robbery. On occasions the robbery is successful because the owners are very tired after a hard day's travelling and very often have had a glass of wine or two which ensures that they sleep even more deeply. They then wake up to find that they've been robbed and rather than admit that they've been stupid in parking in a silly place and not having decent security, and being not-too-bright and unable to work out why these tales of gassing are ludicrous bilge, they decide that they've been gassed as well. I'm sure that some of them believe that they've been gassed but some people will believe any old tripe because they don't seem to have the cognitive ability to dissect the evidence and work out that gassing is an impossibility. The most worrying thing is that they can't comprehend that thieves with this so-called advanced knowledge, and accessibility to the most sophisticated anaesthesia techniques, are targeting caravans and not the bedrooms of the rich where the pickings would be worthwhile. " As others point out you are incapable of accepting another persons point of view, and can only reply to folk you disdain in your standard bile laden prose *-)..................... BTW why should folk consider the opinions of an "Expert camera salesman" to be any more valid than anyone else's on the forum, are you an expert in gas attacks?.............. I can see why you wear a gas mask............... your so full of it the smell must be overbearing >:-)......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Dave Newell - 2014-07-26 6:20 AM Bye all, it's been emotional. I don't blame you Dave (PM) but note a startling lack of any factually proven reports of gassing. Enjoy the forum for as long as it manages to limp along. D. I'm sorry you've decided to go Dave, but as I said back on page one I have an open mind on the subject, as I have yet to see any evidence either way..............just opinions ;-)........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 antony1969 - 2014-07-26 7:27 AM It's a shame Dave has felt the need to leave especially when he offered more help on here than most ... but like a lot others and myself included he'd simply had enough !! Dave Newell said that if this thread went to six pages he would leave the forum. I simply can't work out the logic of that but it's up to him of course. Your next post was: "Dave I don't believe in the gassing job but I do believe you have the right to put forward your views on the subject on an open forum , just why folk are getting tetchy and upperty on such a subject is beyond me We want six ...we want six" The thread had run its course and was dropping down the rankings so who decided to resurrect it to make sure that it did go to six pages? Yes, it was Pelmetman. So you got the six that you wanted. Mmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 pelmetman - 2014-07-26 8:53 AM BTW why should folk consider the opinions of an "Expert camera salesman" to be any more valid than anyone else's on the forum, are you an expert in gas attacks?.............. I can see why you wear a gas mask............... your so full of it the smell must be overbearing >:-)......... No, I'm not an expert on gas attacks and neither are you. But intelligent people can read the opinion of those who are experts, from anaesthetists who know all about the properties of the various gasses and the policemen from the haulage industry who claim that it has never happened. Many people believed in gassing until the facts were presented to them properly. They then had the brains to realise that it's all one huge myth. That's being open-minded. You're not open-minded, you've decided that you are right and it's clear that no amount of evidence will ever change your mind. You are the worst person on here for ramming his views down other people's throats. Every time you post, your signature pushes your views on politics and running old motorhomes. The fact that you feel the need to do this is very telling and indicates your true character. And your final insult: "I can see why you wear a gas mask............... your so full of it the smell must be overbearing" shows that you are a very large hypocrite. And the view of a camera salesman is worth the same as the view of a redundant pelmet maker, who has ever claimed otherwise? Where have I ever once stated that you cannot have an opinion? The difference between you and everyone else in this thread is that the rest of us are not blinded by our own view of our infallibility and are willing to accept the view of those who know far more about this than we do. We also have the brains and common sense to read the evidence and come to the obvious conclusion - a conclusion that most eleven-year-olds would arrive at. Not once have you answered the main point, which is that the wrong amount of anaesthetic gas will kill. Not once have you told us how these thieves can inject just the right amount into a motorhome, an environment where they are unaware of the number and size of the places where the gas could leak out, thus rendering it ineffectual. But I'm not going into the rest of the evidence again. It's all in the last six pages and I'm beginning to think that you haven't actually read the posts properly . It's the only explanation for your intransigence. Apart from your giant ego of course which won't let you admit that you could be wrong. Nevertheless, I do hope that you continue to try to convince us that gassing can actually happen because every time that you do it proves to the other members that my opinion of you is the correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-07-26 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2014-07-26 7:27 AM It's a shame Dave has felt the need to leave especially when he offered more help on here than most ... but like a lot others and myself included he'd simply had enough !! Dave Newell said that if this thread went to six pages he would leave the forum. I simply can't work out the logic of that but it's up to him of course. Your next post was: "Dave I don't believe in the gassing job but I do believe you have the right to put forward your views on the subject on an open forum , just why folk are getting tetchy and upperty on such a subject is beyond me We want six ...we want six" The thread had run its course and was dropping down the rankings so who decided to resurrect it to make sure that it did go to six pages? Yes, it was Pelmetman. Mmmm. Come on frank your not seriously suggesting Dave Pelmet posted again to hit the six and make sure Dave Newell left are you ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-07-26 9:16 AM The thread had run its course and was dropping down the rankings so who decided to resurrect it to make sure that it did go to six pages? Yes, it was Pelmetman. Mmmm. I knew you'd try to pin it on me Frank (lol)..................your Soooooo predictable :D.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 antony1969 - 2014-07-26 9:37 AM Had Enough - 2014-07-26 9:16 AM antony1969 - 2014-07-26 7:27 AM It's a shame Dave has felt the need to leave especially when he offered more help on here than most ... but like a lot others and myself included he'd simply had enough !! Dave Newell said that if this thread went to six pages he would leave the forum. I simply can't work out the logic of that but it's up to him of course. Your next post was: "Dave I don't believe in the gassing job but I do believe you have the right to put forward your views on the subject on an open forum , just why folk are getting tetchy and upperty on such a subject is beyond me We want six ...we want six" The thread had run its course and was dropping down the rankings so who decided to resurrect it to make sure that it did go to six pages? Yes, it was Pelmetman. Mmmm. Come on frank your not seriously suggesting Dave Pelmet posted again to hit the six and make sure Dave Newell left are you ??? Dave Newell said that if this went to six pages he'd leave. The thread had died. Pelmetman felt the need to resurrect it and thus take it to six pages. Why? The last post on this thread was on the 21st. Pelmetman decided to add his two pennorth four days later. Why? Even if he didn't deliberately do it to make DN resign he ought to have realised what the consequences of his actions might be. And we have seen the consequences of his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-07-26 9:36 AM Not once have you answered the main point, which is that the wrong amount of anaesthetic gas will kill. Not once have you told us how these thieves can inject just the right amount into a motorhome, an environment where they are unaware of the number and size of the places where the gas could leak out, thus rendering it ineffectual. Well you clearly missed the post where I said I agreed with the RCoA that anaesthetic gas was probably not the method used ;-)..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 pelmetman - 2014-07-26 9:43 AM Had Enough - 2014-07-26 9:36 AM Not once have you answered the main point, which is that the wrong amount of anaesthetic gas will kill. Not once have you told us how these thieves can inject just the right amount into a motorhome, an environment where they are unaware of the number and size of the places where the gas could leak out, thus rendering it ineffectual. Well you clearly missed the post where I said I agreed with the RCoA that anaesthetic gas was probably not the method used ;-)..................... No, I didn't but I dismissed it as nonsense. Any gas that causes unconsciousness is an anaesthetic gas. Anaesthetists are trained to know about all the various compounds that do this. They don't use carbon monoxide for instance but must know about its effects and how to treat those who've inhaled it. We also have a member on here whose daughter is an anaesthetist and she claimed that there is no substance known to the profession that would do what you are claiming. But you of course will state that the robbers have access to a sophisticated gas that no one in the medical profession is aware of. Mmmm, time to rethink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Poor Dave would of received less flack had he denied the holocaust or said there was no God I don't believe the gassing job either but were all entitled to our own views surely until 100% proof is given either way ...... Been called a vegetable for having an opinion is in my view not acceptable .... but what do I know been thick northern oik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-07-25 11:29 PM And I do wish that you'd change that signature of yours. Every time I read it I feel the urge to put two fingers in my mouth and make retching motions. That's nice of you to say because every time you post I too am tempted to raise two fingers. Apart from which you have been making so many people feel sick for a long time so maybe there is some balance after all! I like my signature because it reflects both the way of the real world and the way that I see most things in the real world. Judging by today's rants I see that you have been at the prune juice again Frank! Anyway my neighbour's drying concrete needs watching and as that is far more rewarding than talking to you - bye bye for now and keep smiling! Isn't there something far more useful that you could waste your very valuable time on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 antony1969 - 2014-07-26 9:51 AM Poor Dave would of received less flack had he denied the holocaust or said there was no God I don't believe the gassing job either but were all entitled to our own views surely until 100% proof is given either way ...... Been called a vegetable for having an opinion is in my view not acceptable .... but what do I know been thick northern oik Where has anyone said that he isn't entitled to his views? We're just saying that in our view, to which we are equally entitled, he is wrong. He has taken flack because he constantly ignores all the evidence and shows himself to be a man who will never ever change his opinion, whatever is proved to him. And for the record it wasn't me that called him a vegetable, but the person who did wasn't suggesting that he's actually a carrot but that he's not very bright, an opinion I share and which this thread has reinforced more than any other he's graced with his views. Anyway, the gassing argument has been done to death so I'm out of any further speculation on whether of not toe-rag thieves have better anaesthetic materials and skills than qualified medical experts and researchers in this field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 teflon2 - 2014-07-18 8:42 PM Not having following this thread and can't be bothered to read through all the earlier posts I can give you an actual personal account of a similar occurrence. Many years ago my mate and I spray painted our racing outfit in an enclosed double garage we only used 2 cans of spray then left to socialise we got in the van Keith drove backwards straight into his fathers car now Keith was normally a superb driver he steered the outfit and I played the monkey on the side we were obviously overcome by the fumes from the spray cans and were unknowingly incapacitated so a small volume of sprayed thinners is capable of rendering you comatose in a confined space. So I've an open mind but lean more to a bargain wine with the equivalent of a date rape drug is more likely to my mind. John 8-) :-S John, Greetings from a 'fellow Monkey', Club Road racing, mainly old RAF airfield circuits, Outfit : Vincent Kneeler then Hartwell Imp engine........Before Yamaha started selling TZ750 racing engines to anyone who could afford one, way back in the late 60's and eary 70's. 'Cause they could be 'squirting' a mixture of Castrol 'R' and methanol ?????? mmmmm i'm feeling sleepy just imagining it . ;-) Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spospe Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 This thread was about the Urban Myth regarding people being gassed whilst sleeping in their motorhomes when parked up abroad. This thread has lost its way and degenerated into making silly comments. To return to the topic; my younger daughter is an Anathethasist and she has informed me that the concept of people of unknown medical condition, weight, number, and age being gassed without fatal consequences is implausible. Maybe it's not a myth? Maybe it's not; but it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Dave Newell - 2014-07-26 6:20 AM Bye all, it's been emotional. I don't blame you Dave (PM) but note a startling lack of any factually proven reports of gassing. Enjoy the forum for as long as it manages to limp along. D. So, one of the most valued and knowledgable contributors to this forum has now been driven away by sheer frustration. Those responsible - and it is definitely more than one person - meanwhile carry on their destructive bickering while denying the impact they have. Who has actually benefited? Was it all really worth this result? Truly, no creature smarts so little as a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 pelmetman - 2014-07-10 6:44 PM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2687711/British-couple-robbed-campervan-thieves-knocked-using-SLEEPING-GAS-France.html Come on Everyone ! it was in the 'Daily Mail' 'a right wing Comic of a newpaper' whatever they write has an element of 'Myth' about it. So, I vote : definately a Myth. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Had Enough Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Brian Kirby - 2014-07-26 1:09 PM Dave Newell - 2014-07-26 6:20 AM Bye all, it's been emotional. I don't blame you Dave (PM) but note a startling lack of any factually proven reports of gassing. Enjoy the forum for as long as it manages to limp along. D. So, one of the most valued and knowledgable contributors to this forum has now been driven away by sheer frustration. Those responsible - and it is definitely more than one person - meanwhile carry on their destructive bickering while denying the impact they have. Who has actually benefited? Was it all really worth this result? Truly, no creature smarts so little as a fool. But it makes no sense! I have cable TV. Some of the programmes are rubbish, so I choose not to watch them. I'm not going to cancel my subscription because of some dross that I don't like as there's a lot that I do like. And what do we make of the sixth page ultimatum? If this thread didn't go beyond five pages he said he'd stay, but if it went to six he was off. So if the thread hadn't been resurrected by you know who, he wouldn't have gone. Where is the logic in all this? I've just scanned down the twenty-odd threads on this page. I for instance have taken part in about four of them, and two were a bit of fun, one where I took up Derek Uzzell's joke about prune juice. And even that by the way didn't deter two of the usual suspects from jumping in to have a poke at me! Whilst acknowledging that DN was a very valuable contributor to certain threads I am genuinely puzzled by his decision and by his inability to simply ignore threads where spats may develop. But the crux of this is the 'five pages and I'll stay but if it goes to six I'm off' ultimatum. I actually took that seriously, despite being unable to understand it and I was happy to let the thread languish. But we all know what happened next - four days after the last post it was resurrected by a man who is on here several times a day. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Had Enough - 2014-07-26 10:06 AM antony1969 - 2014-07-26 9:51 AM Poor Dave would of received less flack had he denied the holocaust or said there was no God I don't believe the gassing job either but were all entitled to our own views surely until 100% proof is given either way ...... Been called a vegetable for having an opinion is in my view not acceptable .... but what do I know been thick northern oik Where has anyone said that he isn't entitled to his views? We're just saying that in our view, to which we are equally entitled, he is wrong. He has taken flack because he constantly ignores all the evidence and shows himself to be a man who will never ever change his opinion, whatever is proved to him. And for the record it wasn't me that called him a vegetable, but the person who did wasn't suggesting that he's actually a carrot but that he's not very bright, an opinion I share and which this thread has reinforced more than any other he's graced with his views. Anyway, the gassing argument has been done to death so I'm out of any further speculation on whether of not toe-rag thieves have better anaesthetic materials and skills than qualified medical experts and researchers in this field. Apologies frank if you thought I meant your good self used the vegetable insult on Dave ... You have to be a certain type of person to want to call someone such a name on a faceless motorhome forum and thankfully you have not sunk to such depths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Which is yet another example of what is wrong. I'm not going to try reason, Frank, I have learned it has no impact, so dialogue becomes pointless. You admit only your version of the world. If it is challenged, you attack. If the challenger doesn't buckle under the, usually unsubtle, onslaught, you demean and insult them. Some are stung by your insults, and determine to get their own back, so they lie in wait. For some reason this is always their fault, but never yours. This pattern repeats endlessly, but you cannot identify its cause. The rest of us, like Dave, can. The defence that we need not read is no defence. To find what is worthwhile, one has to read: that is what the forum is for. Should one then ignore all posts that you write? No, because what you write is sometimes informative. Ditto any strings to which you contribute. You are the price we have to pay to contribute to, and benefit from, the forum. For some, the price is too high. I understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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