John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 StuartO - 2020-05-25 11:17 AM leads me to suspect that there really isn't a smoking gun, . In which case why is Cummings snubbing our questions? FFS he is supposed to be working for us Why are you still flailing around trying to defend him when he won't even give you the basic courtesy of an explanation? You try to say its just me when apparently even the C of E can't work with the Government now This has got to be a first? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/bishops-turn-on-boris-johnson-for-defending-dominic-cummings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 StuartO - 2020-05-25 8:11 AM Because BoJo has given such unambiguous support to Dominic Cummins, I think he has sealed his own fate if a "smoking gun" piece of evidence emerges - but so far that has not happened. Cummins decision to take himself and his family to a seperate, self-contained property in Durham (even if it was part of his parents' estate) is defensible - or at least it's not a smoking gun. Maybe the Barnards Castle isn't a smoking gun either, if it was after the necessary period of self -isolation - but maybe it was Certainly the press and Labour are not letting go and maybe damning evidence will emerge - but it could also emerge that the retired chemistry teacher with a photographic memory is a Labour activist or supporter with a vivid imagination. BoJo said he had a long discussion with Cummins on Sunday so he should have asked all the relevant searching questions, even if he is deciding that he has no need to share all the answers with us. Oh I think its a smoking Cannon! Even if its after the period of self isolation which he totally broke anyway it was during lock down where driving 30 miles to a tourist hot spot for a day out was a crime and for Johnsons right hand man to have done it having already broken all his own lock down rules is a big fat smoking Bazooka! Face it. Cummings has with any luck brought Johnson down. Maybe it was deliberate. Cummings is a Disruptor. I dont think he is even a Tory. Maybe he had enough of them and decided to bring the whole house of cards crashing down just for a laugh. Its perfectly simple though. If the retired teacher has proof he searched the number plate of that car then lets see the internet history and trace the vehicle. He is clever but maybe he slipped up and used his own car or one of his families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 England has more cctv per head of population than any other country in the world. The average citizen is on cctv over 200 times a day. Then there are mobile phone records, ANPR cameras, card payments that lead to cctv in supermarkets, The evidence will be in the Government's possession (so Cummings daren't deny anything) but the Government is hiding it >:-) I suppose our only chance is if one of Cummings many enemies leaks it Which I suspect he is busy trying to prevent. The longer this goes on, the more chance he has to destroy evidence, intimidate witnesses, and sack civil servants who are not 'on message' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-25 11:28 AM Cummings is a Disruptor. I dont think he is even a Tory. . Well I seem to recall that on Wiki he says he's not a Tory. I just wonder why Boris Johnson is so dependent on him. If he can't cope without Cummings maybe he should make room for someone who can ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 malc d - 2020-05-25 11:42 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-25 11:28 AM Cummings is a Disruptor. I dont think he is even a Tory. . Well I seem to recall that on Wiki he says he's not a Tory. I just wonder why Boris Johnson is so dependent on him. If he can't cope without Cummings maybe he should make room for someone who can ? ;-) BoJo clearly needs an enforcer to do his dirty work so he can maintain his likeable facade to con the easily fooled. I can't imagine BoJo sacking a conscientious Civil Servant, and arranging to have her ejected from the building in the most humiliating way like Cummings did. 'Career Psychopath' Cummings fits the bill perfectly - he doesn't need our votes and doesn't care what we think But also I think BoJo is a coward. He avoids direct confrontation. He didn't help his friend Darius Guppy in beating up the Journalist, but he didn't have the courage to say no to him. So BoJo needs to hide behind Cummings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Any news that the Tory press have dug out the Labour activist dirt on the retired teacher of Barnard Castle yet? He has now made a retrospective complaint to the police according to one of the left wing papers. Not difficult to guess who put him up to that. It ain’t over ‘till the fat lady sings as they say - or in this case the scrawny looking strategist and spin doctor sings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 StuartO - 2020-05-25 12:04 PM Any news that the Tory press have dug out the Labour activist dirt on the retired teacher of Barnard Castle yet? He has now made a retrospective complaint to the police according to one of the left wing papers. Not difficult to guess who put him up to that. Can you enlighten us? Apparently he wasn't certain before because it would have seemed unlikely to be the real Dominic Cummings. Poor chap probably didn't believe his eyes. What he has found out since then seems to confirm his suspicions. So it seems logical to me that alone would cause him to take it further. Whatever anyone else said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-25 9:10 AM Birdbrain - 2020-05-25 8:44 AM Ali ... MP ... Breaks the lockdown rules ... Silence from the squad Kinnock ... MP ... Breaks the lockdown rules ... Silence from the squad Cummings ... GOVERNMENT AIDE ... Breaks the lockdown rules ... Hissy fit pant wetting hysteria from the squad Anyone explain why ??? Did any of them travel 260 miles with Covid Symptoms? Well for a start the unelected Cummings has got more power than them. 'Career Psychopath' Cummings can sack Civil Servants, seize their phones, and get them escorted out of the building in a humiliating way. He is BoJo's Enforcer who lays down the law for us and ignores it himself, risking our lives in the process. >:-) Why are you trying to defend him? They broke the rules like he did , dont be so selective with your hate ... Can you please show where or how Mr Cummings has been our PMs "Enforcer" ... I presume "BoJo" is our PM ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-25 10:45 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-25 9:24 AM John52 - 2020-05-25 9:14 AM Oh and before you have another go at me let me say, yet again, I have no symptoms and am self isolating in my motorhome. I am not the one who created BoJo's Lockdown rules But I am abiding by them Unlike 'Career Psychopath' Cummings >:-) That is not your home is it Hypocrite? >:-) ......... Unless you have lied about owning a property? ;-) ......... *-) the clue is in the name my motorHOME :-D So a second home would be OK ... A holiday home etc etc ??? ... If thats correct then you need to have a word with head honcho hater BeeGee who took issue with our PMs father Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-25 11:28 AM StuartO - 2020-05-25 8:11 AM Because BoJo has given such unambiguous support to Dominic Cummins, I think he has sealed his own fate if a "smoking gun" piece of evidence emerges - but so far that has not happened. Cummins decision to take himself and his family to a seperate, self-contained property in Durham (even if it was part of his parents' estate) is defensible - or at least it's not a smoking gun. Maybe the Barnards Castle isn't a smoking gun either, if it was after the necessary period of self -isolation - but maybe it was Certainly the press and Labour are not letting go and maybe damning evidence will emerge - but it could also emerge that the retired chemistry teacher with a photographic memory is a Labour activist or supporter with a vivid imagination. BoJo said he had a long discussion with Cummins on Sunday so he should have asked all the relevant searching questions, even if he is deciding that he has no need to share all the answers with us. Oh I think its a smoking Cannon! Even if its after the period of self isolation which he totally broke anyway it was during lock down where driving 30 miles to a tourist hot spot for a day out was a crime and for Johnsons right hand man to have done it having already broken all his own lock down rules is a big fat smoking Bazooka! Face it. Cummings has with any luck brought Johnson down. Maybe it was deliberate. Cummings is a Disruptor. I dont think he is even a Tory. Maybe he had enough of them and decided to bring the whole house of cards crashing down just for a laugh. Its perfectly simple though. If the retired teacher has proof he searched the number plate of that car then lets see the internet history and trace the vehicle. He is clever but maybe he slipped up and used his own car or one of his families. "Cummings with any luck brought Johnson down" ... Steady on ... Your known for your amateur dramatics and Hollywood claims like "No deal is dead" and who can forget your "Labour will be in power before Brexit" but youve all Judy Garland with that , as in 'Somewhere Over The Rainbow' ... Calm down , wipe yaself down , put ya laptop or phone down and then your life might not be so down ... Hate on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-25 12:10 PM Can you enlighten us?..... I fear that would be mission impossible given your track record but I can tell you that the story about the teacher complaining to the police was in the newspaper review this morning on either the Sky News or BBC News App. Daily Mirror if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Tahir Ali ... Labour MP ... Broke the lockdown rules ... Squad silence Stephen Kinnock ... Labour MP ... Broke the lockdown rules ... Squad silence Dominic Cummings ... Conservative Government Advisor ... Squad hysterics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-25 12:18 PM John52 - 2020-05-25 10:45 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-25 9:24 AM John52 - 2020-05-25 9:14 AM Oh and before you have another go at me let me say, yet again, I have no symptoms and am self isolating in my motorhome. I am not the one who created BoJo's Lockdown rules But I am abiding by them Unlike 'Career Psychopath' Cummings >:-) That is not your home is it Hypocrite? >:-) ......... Unless you have lied about owning a property? ;-) ......... *-) the clue is in the name my motorHOME :-D So a second home would be OK ... A holiday home etc etc ??? ... If thats correct then you need to have a word with head honcho hater BeeGee who took issue with our PMs father You should do less talking and more listening Why won't you at least read the links. The D&C Police said the lads in the motorHOME were not breaking the law because they had been in it since the lockdown started. Government instructions were to stay in the home where you were, whether it was second home or not. So BoJo, Duke of Cornwall, and Dominic Cummings were breaking their own laws when they moved to another home AFTER THE LOCKDOWN STARTED. They put themselves above the law they were instructing us to obey, ordering the police to fine us if we didn't, - and all made far worse because they were knowingly taking the virus with them >:-) PS: So I think this is your cue to change the subject to 'public bins' *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 StuartO - 2020-05-25 11:17 AM John52 is driven by his prejudiced attitudes and he cannot get his head around anything anyone else says at all unless it happens to fit his blinkered view of reality, so there really is litttle point in responding to him. To those who are capable of thinking there might be other ways of looking at things however it seems to me that BoJo is far to experienced a politician (and journalist) to stick his neck out unnecessarily and this is what leads me to suspect that there really isn't a smoking gun, so the press are end up getting nowhere with this. It might be of course that Cummins knows where some bodies are which would be an even bigger threat to Boris but that doesn't seem likely somehow. My bet is on Boris and Cummins having got their heads together and worked out that this is a storm in a teacup which they can confidently ride out. We'll see. Indeed ;-) ............ Boris has 4 years to ride it out B-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 malc d - 2020-05-25 11:42 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-25 11:28 AM Cummings is a Disruptor. I dont think he is even a Tory. . Well I seem to recall that on Wiki he says he's not a Tory. I just wonder why Boris Johnson is so dependent on him. If he can't cope without Cummings maybe he should make room for someone who can ? ;-) I think you'll find that decision is down to us Tory party members ;-) ......... So far Boris is doing a great job B-) ........ I'll even give him extra points for ignoring the Haters over Cummings :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-25 12:26 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-25 12:18 PM John52 - 2020-05-25 10:45 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-25 9:24 AM John52 - 2020-05-25 9:14 AM Oh and before you have another go at me let me say, yet again, I have no symptoms and am self isolating in my motorhome. I am not the one who created BoJo's Lockdown rules But I am abiding by them Unlike 'Career Psychopath' Cummings >:-) That is not your home is it Hypocrite? >:-) ......... Unless you have lied about owning a property? ;-) ......... *-) the clue is in the name my motorHOME :-D So a second home would be OK ... A holiday home etc etc ??? ... If thats correct then you need to have a word with head honcho hater BeeGee who took issue with our PMs father You should do less talking and more listening Why won't you at least read the links. The D&C Police said the lads in the motorHOME were not breaking the law because they had been in it since the lockdown started. Government instructions were to stay in the home where you were, whether it was second home or not. So BoJo, Duke of Cornwall, and Dominic Cummings were breaking their own laws when they moved to another home AFTER THE LOCKDOWN STARTED. They put themselves above the law they were instructing us to obey, ordering the police to fine us if we didn't, - and all made far worse because they were knowingly taking the virus with them >:-) PS: So I think this is your cue to change the subject to 'public bins' *-) Give up with the excuses - no one supports your antics - not even Barry or Bullet it seems.... Your actions are no different, and in some respects they're worse - as well you know, and I find that just a tad hypocritical. And that's without going into your neanderthal sanitary arrangements....... I've come to the conclusion that two words sum up your mental capacity, thought process and logic to everything - Plumbers Mait :-D :-D Something else you go on, and on,and on, and on about at every opportunity - when no sane person would ever think about using Plumbers Mait on a campervan, or in fact anything other than sanitary ware!!!! You're so obsessed with being right - even if it actually makes you look a fool.......but you're so blinkered you can't see it. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 globebuster - 2020-05-25 1:10 PM John52 - 2020-05-25 12:26 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-25 12:18 PM John52 - 2020-05-25 10:45 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-25 9:24 AM John52 - 2020-05-25 9:14 AM Oh and before you have another go at me let me say, yet again, I have no symptoms and am self isolating in my motorhome. I am not the one who created BoJo's Lockdown rules But I am abiding by them Unlike 'Career Psychopath' Cummings >:-) That is not your home is it Hypocrite? >:-) ......... Unless you have lied about owning a property? ;-) ......... *-) the clue is in the name my motorHOME :-D So a second home would be OK ... A holiday home etc etc ??? ... If thats correct then you need to have a word with head honcho hater BeeGee who took issue with our PMs father You should do less talking and more listening Why won't you at least read the links. The D&C Police said the lads in the motorHOME were not breaking the law because they had been in it since the lockdown started. Government instructions were to stay in the home where you were, whether it was second home or not. So BoJo, Duke of Cornwall, and Dominic Cummings were breaking their own laws when they moved to another home AFTER THE LOCKDOWN STARTED. They put themselves above the law they were instructing us to obey, ordering the police to fine us if we didn't, - and all made far worse because they were knowingly taking the virus with them >:-) PS: So I think this is your cue to change the subject to 'public bins' *-) Give up with the excuses - no one supports your antics - not even Barry or Bullet it seems.... Your actions are no different, and in some respects they're worse - as well you know, and I find that just a tad hypocritical. And that's without going into your neanderthal sanitary arrangements....... I've come to the conclusion that two words sum up your mental capacity, thought process and logic to everything - Plumbers Mait :-D :-D Something else you go on, and on,and on, and on about at every opportunity - when no sane person would ever think about using Plumbers Mait on a campervan, or in fact anything other than sanitary ware!!!! You're so obsessed with being right - even if it actually makes you look a fool.......but you're so blinkered you can't see it. :-) So now you change the subject to public bins every time you lose an argument Which makes public bins the main topic of conversation on here (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 globebuster - 2020-05-25 1:10 PM Plumbers Mait :..you go on, and on,and on, and on about at every opportunity :-) I never mentioned Plumbers Mait - so who just brought the subject of Plumbers Mait up again *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-25 1:22 PM globebuster - 2020-05-25 1:10 PM John52 - 2020-05-25 12:26 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-25 12:18 PM John52 - 2020-05-25 10:45 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-25 9:24 AM John52 - 2020-05-25 9:14 AM Oh and before you have another go at me let me say, yet again, I have no symptoms and am self isolating in my motorhome. I am not the one who created BoJo's Lockdown rules But I am abiding by them Unlike 'Career Psychopath' Cummings >:-) That is not your home is it Hypocrite? >:-) ......... Unless you have lied about owning a property? ;-) ......... *-) the clue is in the name my motorHOME :-D So a second home would be OK ... A holiday home etc etc ??? ... If thats correct then you need to have a word with head honcho hater BeeGee who took issue with our PMs father You should do less talking and more listening Why won't you at least read the links. The D&C Police said the lads in the motorHOME were not breaking the law because they had been in it since the lockdown started. Government instructions were to stay in the home where you were, whether it was second home or not. So BoJo, Duke of Cornwall, and Dominic Cummings were breaking their own laws when they moved to another home AFTER THE LOCKDOWN STARTED. They put themselves above the law they were instructing us to obey, ordering the police to fine us if we didn't, - and all made far worse because they were knowingly taking the virus with them >:-) PS: So I think this is your cue to change the subject to 'public bins' *-) Give up with the excuses - no one supports your antics - not even Barry or Bullet it seems.... Your actions are no different, and in some respects they're worse - as well you know, and I find that just a tad hypocritical. And that's without going into your neanderthal sanitary arrangements....... I've come to the conclusion that two words sum up your mental capacity, thought process and logic to everything - Plumbers Mait :-D :-D Something else you go on, and on,and on, and on about at every opportunity - when no sane person would ever think about using Plumbers Mait on a campervan, or in fact anything other than sanitary ware!!!! You're so obsessed with being right - even if it actually makes you look a fool.......but you're so blinkered you can't see it. :-) So now you change the subject to public bins every time you lose an argument Which makes public bins the main topic of conversation on here (lol) BINGO !! There you go John - it's YOU who changes the subject - where have I mentioned public bins in my last post? I think you're getting paranoid :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D What a dolt you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-25 1:06 PM malc d - 2020-05-25 11:42 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-25 11:28 AM Cummings is a Disruptor. I dont think he is even a Tory. . Well I seem to recall that on Wiki he says he's not a Tory. I just wonder why Boris Johnson is so dependent on him. If he can't cope without Cummings maybe he should make room for someone who can ? ;-) I think you'll find that decision is down to us Tory party members ;-) ......... I reality Dave, Boris Johnson could decide to resign if he can't cope without Cummings, without asking anyone Dave, not even you. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globebuster Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-25 1:26 PM globebuster - 2020-05-25 1:10 PM Plumbers Mait :..you go on, and on,and on, and on about at every opportunity :-) I never mentioned Plumbers Mait - so who just brought the subject of Plumbers Mait up again *-) Usual answer out of context - Your selective reply just makes you look a fool, because you have nothing left to argue. I wonder how many times you've foisted Plumbers Mait as a good idea onto every enquiry about sealant......... .......must be dozens - so it's the best example of your relentless, mindless bo**ocks you spout on every subject. As I say - You have an answer for everything - but you can never actually answer a question without diversion. You'd probably make a good politician - in Trumpton :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 malc d - 2020-05-25 8:24 AM StuartO - 2020-05-25 8:11 AM Because BoJo has given such unambiguous support to Dominic Cummins, I think he has sealed his own fate if a "smoking gun" piece of evidence emerges - but so far that has not happened. Certainly the press and Labour are not letting go ……………………... …. Tory MPs and church leaders aren't either. :-| … and now even his scientific advisers have criticised him. :-( Correct Malc (though i haven't read/heard of any church leaders), there have been a number of Tory MP's, scientists who have condemned the actions of Cummings and Johnson, even an NHS doctor has threatened to quit. Sir Roger Gale MP was extremely vocal about the matter on a tv programme this morning and didn't mince his words. Johnson has made a rod for his own back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 malc d - 2020-05-25 1:32 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-25 1:06 PM malc d - 2020-05-25 11:42 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-25 11:28 AM Cummings is a Disruptor. I dont think he is even a Tory. . Well I seem to recall that on Wiki he says he's not a Tory. I just wonder why Boris Johnson is so dependent on him. If he can't cope without Cummings maybe he should make room for someone who can ? ;-) I think you'll find that decision is down to us Tory party members ;-) ......... I reality Dave, Boris Johnson could decide to resign if he can't cope without Cummings, without asking anyone Dave, not even you. ;-) Indeed he could ;-) .............. If it were me I'd have told them to stuff the job yonks ago :D ........ Fortunately Boris is made of sterner stuff than I B-) ......... Which is evident from his refusing to appease the Cummings haters (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-25 3:21 PM Which is evident from his refusing to appease the Cummings haters (lol) ........ Its all round the world now - can you dismiss all these so easily; https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/cummings-is-the-real-boss-world-press-pours-scorn-on-boris-johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-25 4:30 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-25 3:21 PM Which is evident from his refusing to appease the Cummings haters (lol) ........ Its all round the world now - can you dismiss all these so easily; https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/cummings-is-the-real-boss-world-press-pours-scorn-on-boris-johnson It's very easy ;-) ........ The Loser Bible can F off too >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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