Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:56 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 8:01 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 7:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:29 AM StuartO - 2020-06-19 9:00 PM Come on guys, stop squabbling or harping on about the past and come up with ideas about making multiculturalism work better in future. That’s what we all need to be doing. You can’t turn back the clock. "You cant turn back the clock" ... Thats just what a large part of our multicultural society want to do ... Ive just been looking to see how many European countries have made a success of multiculturalism ... I think the figure is .... None I think you are quite incorrect. People have happily mixed. Just because some haven’t doesn’t make it a failure.Who says society want to turn back the clock anyway? "People have happily mixed" ... You mean like in Oldham , Bradford , Luton , parts of Glasgow , parts of Birmingham , Huddersfield , halifax , Keighley etc etc etc ... I said part of society It does work in all the areas you mention, may not work with everyone but generally you are incorrect. You said large part of society. Don’t think that’s true at all. What’s turning the clock back anyway? To save time lets just take Bradford ... https://shysociety.co.uk/2017/12/27/multiculturalism-has-failed-say-bradford-residents/ ... https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bradford-is-a-bellwether-for-the-failure-of-multiculturalism/ ... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01419870.2013.808754 ... https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/thecafe/2012/07/2012731151515992176.html ... Nine out of ten Bradford residents asked said Multiculturalism has failed !!! ... You say multiculturalism works "in all the areas" I mentioned , do tell then which part of Bradford that I know well multiculturalism works ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 10:13 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:56 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 8:01 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 7:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:29 AM StuartO - 2020-06-19 9:00 PM Come on guys, stop squabbling or harping on about the past and come up with ideas about making multiculturalism work better in future. That’s what we all need to be doing. You can’t turn back the clock. "You cant turn back the clock" ... Thats just what a large part of our multicultural society want to do ... Ive just been looking to see how many European countries have made a success of multiculturalism ... I think the figure is .... None I think you are quite incorrect. People have happily mixed. Just because some haven’t doesn’t make it a failure.Who says society want to turn back the clock anyway? "People have happily mixed" ... You mean like in Oldham , Bradford , Luton , parts of Glasgow , parts of Birmingham , Huddersfield , halifax , Keighley etc etc etc ... I said part of society It does work in all the areas you mention, may not work with everyone but generally you are incorrect. You said large part of society. Don’t think that’s true at all. What’s turning the clock back anyway? To save time lets just take Bradford ... https://shysociety.co.uk/2017/12/27/multiculturalism-has-failed-say-bradford-residents/ ... https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bradford-is-a-bellwether-for-the-failure-of-multiculturalism/ ... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01419870.2013.808754 ... https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/thecafe/2012/07/2012731151515992176.html ... Nine out of ten Bradford residents asked said Multiculturalism has failed !!! ... You say multiculturalism works "in all the areas" I mentioned , do tell then which part of Bradford that I know well multiculturalism works ??? Bit like 9 out of 10 cats like eating cat food. Come back when you’ve asked all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Seems like the report on the state of relationships between different communities referred to in Antony’s link concentrates on lawless elements within them. The answer lies in the application of the law without fear or favour, affection or ill will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Archiesgrandad - 2020-06-20 12:10 AM I think that to use the phrase " shot him in the back " is a bit imotive. AGD Might be emotive, but it's also true. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 12:51 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 10:13 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:56 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 8:01 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 7:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:29 AM StuartO - 2020-06-19 9:00 PM Come on guys, stop squabbling or harping on about the past and come up with ideas about making multiculturalism work better in future. That’s what we all need to be doing. You can’t turn back the clock. "You cant turn back the clock" ... Thats just what a large part of our multicultural society want to do ... Ive just been looking to see how many European countries have made a success of multiculturalism ... I think the figure is .... None I think you are quite incorrect. People have happily mixed. Just because some haven’t doesn’t make it a failure.Who says society want to turn back the clock anyway? "People have happily mixed" ... You mean like in Oldham , Bradford , Luton , parts of Glasgow , parts of Birmingham , Huddersfield , halifax , Keighley etc etc etc ... I said part of society It does work in all the areas you mention, may not work with everyone but generally you are incorrect. You said large part of society. Don’t think that’s true at all. What’s turning the clock back anyway? To save time lets just take Bradford ... https://shysociety.co.uk/2017/12/27/multiculturalism-has-failed-say-bradford-residents/ ... https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bradford-is-a-bellwether-for-the-failure-of-multiculturalism/ ... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01419870.2013.808754 ... https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/thecafe/2012/07/2012731151515992176.html ... Nine out of ten Bradford residents asked said Multiculturalism has failed !!! ... You say multiculturalism works "in all the areas" I mentioned , do tell then which part of Bradford that I know well multiculturalism works ??? Bit like 9 out of 10 cats like eating cat food. Come back when you’ve asked all of them. You havent posted up any areas in Bradford yet where you claim multiculturalism works ... I'll check later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 3:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 12:51 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 10:13 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:56 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 8:01 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 7:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:29 AM StuartO - 2020-06-19 9:00 PM Come on guys, stop squabbling or harping on about the past and come up with ideas about making multiculturalism work better in future. That’s what we all need to be doing. You can’t turn back the clock. "You cant turn back the clock" ... Thats just what a large part of our multicultural society want to do ... Ive just been looking to see how many European countries have made a success of multiculturalism ... I think the figure is .... None I think you are quite incorrect. People have happily mixed. Just because some haven’t doesn’t make it a failure.Who says society want to turn back the clock anyway? "People have happily mixed" ... You mean like in Oldham , Bradford , Luton , parts of Glasgow , parts of Birmingham , Huddersfield , halifax , Keighley etc etc etc ... I said part of society It does work in all the areas you mention, may not work with everyone but generally you are incorrect. You said large part of society. Don’t think that’s true at all. What’s turning the clock back anyway? To save time lets just take Bradford ... https://shysociety.co.uk/2017/12/27/multiculturalism-has-failed-say-bradford-residents/ ... https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bradford-is-a-bellwether-for-the-failure-of-multiculturalism/ ... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01419870.2013.808754 ... https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/thecafe/2012/07/2012731151515992176.html ... Nine out of ten Bradford residents asked said Multiculturalism has failed !!! ... You say multiculturalism works "in all the areas" I mentioned , do tell then which part of Bradford that I know well multiculturalism works ??? Bit like 9 out of 10 cats like eating cat food. Come back when you’ve asked all of them. You havent posted up any areas in Bradford yet where you claim multiculturalism works ... I'll check later News this morning...any riots in Bradford? .........Any?......wot none?......where’s all the anti establishment,anti multi culturalism riots...? ...? ....there you go then.....silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 3:38 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 3:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 12:51 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 10:13 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 8:56 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 8:01 AM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 7:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 7:29 AM StuartO - 2020-06-19 9:00 PM Come on guys, stop squabbling or harping on about the past and come up with ideas about making multiculturalism work better in future. That’s what we all need to be doing. You can’t turn back the clock. "You cant turn back the clock" ... Thats just what a large part of our multicultural society want to do ... Ive just been looking to see how many European countries have made a success of multiculturalism ... I think the figure is .... None I think you are quite incorrect. People have happily mixed. Just because some haven’t doesn’t make it a failure.Who says society want to turn back the clock anyway? "People have happily mixed" ... You mean like in Oldham , Bradford , Luton , parts of Glasgow , parts of Birmingham , Huddersfield , halifax , Keighley etc etc etc ... I said part of society It does work in all the areas you mention, may not work with everyone but generally you are incorrect. You said large part of society. Don’t think that’s true at all. What’s turning the clock back anyway? To save time lets just take Bradford ... https://shysociety.co.uk/2017/12/27/multiculturalism-has-failed-say-bradford-residents/ ... https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bradford-is-a-bellwether-for-the-failure-of-multiculturalism/ ... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01419870.2013.808754 ... https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/thecafe/2012/07/2012731151515992176.html ... Nine out of ten Bradford residents asked said Multiculturalism has failed !!! ... You say multiculturalism works "in all the areas" I mentioned , do tell then which part of Bradford that I know well multiculturalism works ??? Bit like 9 out of 10 cats like eating cat food. Come back when you’ve asked all of them. You havent posted up any areas in Bradford yet where you claim multiculturalism works ... I'll check later News this morning...any riots in Bradford? .........Any?......wot none?......where’s all the anti establishment,anti multi culturalism riots...? ...? ....there you go then.....silence. Is that a real answer ??? ... You have time to edit it ??? ... Come on , lets try again its you that says multiculturalism "does work in all areas" I only ask for you to name one part of one area in Bradford where it works ... It cant be that difficult , even for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Figures show Bradfords demographics as 67.44% White British, 26.83% Asian or Asian British, 1.77% Black or Black British, 2.48% Mixed Race and 1.48% Chinese and other. So the black population is extremely small. What efforts are Bradfords 67% making to associate with their minority residents? A Pakistan born reporter living in Canada writes here about Canadas approach to multiculturalism, and that of European countries. https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/09/2013915111722311111.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-06-20 3:59 PM Figures show Bradfords demographics as 67.44% White British, 26.83% Asian or Asian British, 1.77% Black or Black British, 2.48% Mixed Race and 1.48% Chinese and other. So the black population is extremely small. What efforts are Bradfords 67% making to associate with their minority residents? A Pakistan born reporter living in Canada writes here about Canadas approach to multiculturalism, and that of European countries. https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/09/2013915111722311111.html Looks like its all the "67%" fault ... The White British Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Can you hear that silence......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 4:25 PM Can you hear that silence......... Yes ... Its the sound of your brain trying to work out that part of Bradford that lives in multicultural harmony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 4:33 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 4:25 PM Can you hear that silence......... Yes ... Its the sound of your brain trying to work out that part of Bradford that lives in multicultural harmony If you actually read what I said....i said it wasn’t a failure. Now not everybody lives in harmony , but it’s not a failure. So all of Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 5:29 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 4:33 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 4:25 PM Can you hear that silence......... Yes ... Its the sound of your brain trying to work out that part of Bradford that lives in multicultural harmony If you actually read what I said....i said it wasn’t a failure. Now not everybody lives in harmony , but it’s not a failure. So all of Bradford. "it does work in all the areas you mention" ... Thats not you saying "it" isnt a failure Princess ... You made a claim you cant back up and you dont like being challenged on it and you cant name one place in one area I have mentioned that it does work in , now that is a failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:01 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 5:29 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 4:33 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 4:25 PM Can you hear that silence......... Yes ... Its the sound of your brain trying to work out that part of Bradford that lives in multicultural harmony If you actually read what I said....i said it wasn’t a failure. Now not everybody lives in harmony , but it’s not a failure. So all of Bradford. "it does work in all the areas you mention" ... Thats not you saying "it" isnt a failure Princess ... You made a claim you cant back up and you dont like being challenged on it and you cant name one place in one area I have mentioned that it does work in , now that is a failure Ha ha...don’t like being challenged...you bonzo.....you’ve already said that to another on here. Of course it’s saying it’s not a failure,so it works. Just because not every single person doesn’t support it doesn’t make it a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 6:15 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:01 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 5:29 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 4:33 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 4:25 PM Can you hear that silence......... Yes ... Its the sound of your brain trying to work out that part of Bradford that lives in multicultural harmony If you actually read what I said....i said it wasn’t a failure. Now not everybody lives in harmony , but it’s not a failure. So all of Bradford. "it does work in all the areas you mention" ... Thats not you saying "it" isnt a failure Princess ... You made a claim you cant back up and you dont like being challenged on it and you cant name one place in one area I have mentioned that it does work in , now that is a failure Ha ha...don’t like being challenged...you bonzo.....you’ve already said that to another on here. Of course it’s saying it’s not a failure,so it works. Just because not every single person doesn’t support it doesn’t make it a failure. If "Of course its saying its not a failure , so it works" then show an area in Bradford it does ??? ... Should be simple , even for you ... Ive lost count of the times I have asked for proof of what you claim ... Carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:26 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 6:15 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:01 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 5:29 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 4:33 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 4:25 PM Can you hear that silence......... Yes ... Its the sound of your brain trying to work out that part of Bradford that lives in multicultural harmony If you actually read what I said....i said it wasn’t a failure. Now not everybody lives in harmony , but it’s not a failure. So all of Bradford. "it does work in all the areas you mention" ... Thats not you saying "it" isnt a failure Princess ... You made a claim you cant back up and you dont like being challenged on it and you cant name one place in one area I have mentioned that it does work in , now that is a failure Ha ha...don’t like being challenged...you bonzo.....you’ve already said that to another on here. Of course it’s saying it’s not a failure,so it works. Just because not every single person doesn’t support it doesn’t make it a failure. If "Of course its saying its not a failure , so it works" then show an area in Bradford it does ??? ... Should be simple , even for you ... Ive lost count of the times I have asked for proof of what you claim ... Carry on If you look back at the posts it’s easy to count,try doing it with your fingers. Then whilst looking you will see I’ve already replied. 9 blokes outside a pub being asked ...have you seen any multwhatnot....oh yeh ,say it yesterday. Do me a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 7:17 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:26 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 6:15 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:01 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 5:29 PM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 4:33 PM jumpstart - 2020-06-20 4:25 PM Can you hear that silence......... Yes ... Its the sound of your brain trying to work out that part of Bradford that lives in multicultural harmony If you actually read what I said....i said it wasn’t a failure. Now not everybody lives in harmony , but it’s not a failure. So all of Bradford. "it does work in all the areas you mention" ... Thats not you saying "it" isnt a failure Princess ... You made a claim you cant back up and you dont like being challenged on it and you cant name one place in one area I have mentioned that it does work in , now that is a failure Ha ha...don’t like being challenged...you bonzo.....you’ve already said that to another on here. Of course it’s saying it’s not a failure,so it works. Just because not every single person doesn’t support it doesn’t make it a failure. If "Of course its saying its not a failure , so it works" then show an area in Bradford it does ??? ... Should be simple , even for you ... Ive lost count of the times I have asked for proof of what you claim ... Carry on If you look back at the posts it’s easy to count,try doing it with your fingers. Then whilst looking you will see I’ve already replied. 9 blokes outside a pub being asked ...have you seen any multwhatnot....oh yeh ,say it yesterday. Do me a favour. A reply doesnt necessarily give an answer ... I'm only following on from your obviously wild claim and you cant back that claim up ... You are better than this cr@p ... Man up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 You had your answer..I think we’re done on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-06-20 9:24 PM You had your answer..I think we’re done on this. I agree ... Youve been "done on this" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Violet1956 - 2020-06-20 1:22 PM Seems like the report on the state of relationships between different communities referred to in Antony’s link concentrates on lawless elements within them. The answer lies in the application of the law without fear or favour, affection or ill will. The answer lies in building more prisons and doing away with probation, along with adding another 5 years to the sentence of a career criminal everytime they get caught again :-| ........ It'll work out safer for the law abiding majority and cheaper in the long run ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:26 PM If "Of course its saying its not a failure , so it works" then show an area in Bradford it does ??? ... Birdbrain, you can of course claim that Bradford is an example of "failing" multiculturalism if you know that there are lots of problems there but does that have any implications other than that more effort is required? Is it not just as useful to say the multculturalism isn't working effectively so far in Bradford, all of us must try harder? Or are you trying to say that multiculturalism can never work in Bradford or in the many other places in UK where it isn't working well at the moment, and we therefore need a different way forward to deal with the fact that Bradford is now, as a matter of fact, a multicultural place? Surely you aren't thinking of some sort of massive ethnic cleansing operation in UK. like the expulsion by the military of an entire racial group from Burma/Myanmar recently towards Banglladesh? Can you even envisage any practical means by which even one town/city like Bradford could be successfully ethnically cleansed in UK, let alone lots of them? Which border would they be driven across? Can you realistically expect them to be allowed into the country across that border? Or do you envisage dividing UK into separate territories for the different ethnic and racial groups to create an Apartheid-type solution - in which case how would you categorise the large numbers of mixed race people who are UK Citizens these days? Or do, God forbid, envisage some sort of final solution, Nazi style, as you seek to recreate a whites-only perfect Yorkshire again? Unless you are thinking in these fanciful terms, it can have no value to argue over whether the present situation amounts to failure, if the way forward has to be towards better, more successful multicultural existance, whatever that takes. Don't we all need to face up to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-06-21 7:56 AM Violet1956 - 2020-06-20 1:22 PM Seems like the report on the state of relationships between different communities referred to in Antony’s link concentrates on lawless elements within them. The answer lies in the application of the law without fear or favour, affection or ill will. The answer lies in building more prisons and doing away with probation, along with adding another 5 years to the sentence of a career criminal everytime they get caught again :-| ........ It'll work out safer for the law abiding majority and cheaper in the long run ;-) ......... Our prison system currently sets itself a dual objectives of confinement (to punish and/or protect the public) but also rehabilitation, which is every prisoner's right, starting from day one. And as I understand it every prisoner has to have some hope of eventual release, so even life sentences don't ever mean locking people up and throwing away the key. We also apply minimum standards of humane treatment, so that prisoners have to be allowed to watch TV or whatever it is. My cousin was a policeman in Preston in the early 1990s and he arranged to take our vistor from Russia in to see how Preson Police Station worked. We also arranged for her to visit the DSS Offices in Preston, to hear about our benefits system. She was a teacher so I also arranged for her to visit my old Grammar School. She was with us as the mother of a girl with whom our daughter had done a school exchange, so she'd tagged along for the UK phase. This was just after the Strangeways Prison Riots and Preston Police Station was ,along with lots of other police stations, accommodating Strangeways prisoners. TVs had been installed for them as their entitlement and because the policestation had limited cattering, they were allowed to order food from takeaways; one of the things which absolutely staggered our Russian visitor was the sight of the piled up wasted food which the prisoners hadn't eaten. She couldn't believe our benefit system either of course. I listened to a talk to my Rotary Club by a former UK Probation Officer who had gone to the USA on an exchange while he was serving, observing how they did it over there. The US Probabtion Service is a uniformed one and they, like US policemen, have powers of arrest and carry firearms. If an offender misses even one review appointment they go after him, arrest him and he goes back to jail. How would you deal with that in UK, they asked their UK visitor? Well, he said, we would write him a letter, if we had an address. I don't see how we could ever build enough extra prisons and provide enough rehabilitation facilities and humane amenities to cope with much bigger numbers, nor would our crumbling probation system cope with the implied expansion. So wouldn't we have to abandon our high expectations of rehabilitating as of right and humane environments and cut the suit according to the cloth as we expanded the capacity of the prison system? And in doing so could we prevent our prisons becoming the extremely cruel and dangerous places like US prisons still are, so that prison destroys any hope that anyone who ever goes in there, even for a short period on pre-trial remand, comes out violated and HIV positive and without any real hope? I agree that we need to impose more credible prison sentences and that they should be served in full - but how do we also prevent or solve consequential extra problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 StuartO - 2020-06-21 8:35 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:26 PM If "Of course its saying its not a failure , so it works" then show an area in Bradford it does ??? ... Birdbrain, you can of course claim that Bradford is an example of "failing" multiculturalism if you know that there are lots of problems there but does that have any implications other than that more effort is required? Is it not just as useful to say the multculturalism isn't working effectively so far in Bradford, all of us must try harder? Or are you trying to say that multiculturalism can never work in Bradford or in the many other places in UK where it isn't working well at the moment, and we therefore need a different way forward to deal with the fact that Bradford is now, as a matter of fact, a multicultural place? Surely you aren't thinking of some sort of massive ethnic cleansing operation in UK. like the expulsion by the military of an entire racial group from Burma/Myanmar recently towards Banglladesh? Can you even envisage any practical means by which even one town/city like Bradford could be successfully ethnically cleansed in UK, let alone lots of them? Which border would they be driven across? Can you realistically expect them to be allowed into the country across that border? Or do you envisage dividing UK into separate territories for the different ethnic and racial groups to create an Apartheid-type solution - in which case how would you categorise the large numbers of mixed race people who are UK Citizens these days? Or do, God forbid, envisage some sort of final solution, Nazi style, as you seek to recreate a whites-only perfect Yorkshire again? Unless you are thinking in these fanciful terms, it can have no value to argue over whether the present situation amounts to failure, if the way forward has to be towards better, more successful multicultural existance, whatever that takes. Don't we all need to face up to that? Stuart I havent said I want to ethnically cleanse anywhere , I dont ignore the disgusting treatment of Christians at the hands of Muslims in many parts of the world and I would never suggest ethnic cleansing ... I aren't the person to ask what is to be done here in the UK , I didn't invite in large numbers of folk who do not want to integrate or have anything to do with the British way of life ... I'll leave the solutions to others and good luck to them because unless you know the areas of Bradford affected by the failure of multiculturalism you cant possibly grasp the size of the problem ... Bradford will become basically a Muslim only area around the city centre , much of it already is as the whites move further away and that picture is replicated in many of our towns and cities ... Now my starting point would be to ask those white folk why they are moving out and not to just dismiss their concerns as raciiiiist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-21 10:22 AM StuartO - 2020-06-21 8:35 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-20 6:26 PM If "Of course its saying its not a failure , so it works" then show an area in Bradford it does ??? ... Birdbrain, you can of course claim that Bradford is an example of "failing" multiculturalism if you know that there are lots of problems there but does that have any implications other than that more effort is required? Is it not just as useful to say the multculturalism isn't working effectively so far in Bradford, all of us must try harder? Or are you trying to say that multiculturalism can never work in Bradford or in the many other places in UK where it isn't working well at the moment, and we therefore need a different way forward to deal with the fact that Bradford is now, as a matter of fact, a multicultural place? Surely you aren't thinking of some sort of massive ethnic cleansing operation in UK. like the expulsion by the military of an entire racial group from Burma/Myanmar recently towards Banglladesh? Can you even envisage any practical means by which even one town/city like Bradford could be successfully ethnically cleansed in UK, let alone lots of them? Which border would they be driven across? Can you realistically expect them to be allowed into the country across that border? Or do you envisage dividing UK into separate territories for the different ethnic and racial groups to create an Apartheid-type solution - in which case how would you categorise the large numbers of mixed race people who are UK Citizens these days? Or do, God forbid, envisage some sort of final solution, Nazi style, as you seek to recreate a whites-only perfect Yorkshire again? Unless you are thinking in these fanciful terms, it can have no value to argue over whether the present situation amounts to failure, if the way forward has to be towards better, more successful multicultural existance, whatever that takes. Don't we all need to face up to that? Stuart I havent said I want to ethnically cleanse anywhere , I dont ignore the disgusting treatment of Christians at the hands of Muslims in many parts of the world and I would never suggest ethnic cleansing ... I aren't the person to ask what is to be done here in the UK , I didn't invite in large numbers of folk who do not want to integrate or have anything to do with the British way of life ... I'll leave the solutions to others and good luck to them because unless you know the areas of Bradford affected by the failure of multiculturalism you cant possibly grasp the size of the problem ... Bradford will become basically a Muslim only area around the city centre , much of it already is as the whites move further away and that picture is replicated in many of our towns and cities ... Now my starting point would be to ask those white folk why they are moving out and not to just dismiss their concerns as raciiiiist You chose to ignore the disgusting treatment of Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 StuartO - 2020-06-21 9:19 AM I agree that we need to impose more credible prison sentences and that they should be served in full - but how do we also prevent or solve consequential extra problems? I reckon the prospect of no probation and another 5 years automatically added to your sentence would soon curb the career criminals urge to commit crimes :-| ........ I also suspect the cost of keeping prisoners in prison is a damn sight cheaper than the revolving door justice system we currently have *-) ....... Being a hang em flog em Tory....... I have long thought the "R" would should stand for retribution rather than rehabilitation ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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